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{{Rfa close|successful|SK clearly has near-unanimous community support, and shows no signs of being underserving of such support. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Trumpeteer 10:02, 21 November 2015 (EST)}}
=== [[User:Serpent King|Serpent King]] ([[User talk:Serpent King|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Serpent King|contribs]] • [[Special:Editcount/Serpent King|edit count]] • [[SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/Serpent King (2)|RFA page]]) ===
=== [[User:Serpent King|Serpent King]] ([[User talk:Serpent King|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Serpent King|contribs]] • [[Special:Editcount/Serpent King|edit count]] • [[SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/Serpent King (2)|RFA page]]) ===
''Candidate, please summarize why you are running for adminship below.''<br>
''Candidate, please summarize why you are running for adminship below.''<br>
Hello, I'm Serpent King. In mid-July, I submitted an [[SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/Serpent King|RfA]] that ultimately ended in a stalemate. My opposition felt that I lacked proper dispute resolution skills. I believe that in the 3 (the RfA lasted for 2.5 months) months between then and now, I have gained these skills.  
Hello, I'm Serpent King. In mid-July, I submitted an [[SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/Serpent King|RfA]] that ultimately ended in a stalemate. My opposition felt that I lacked proper dispute resolution skills. I believe that in the 3 (the RfA lasted for 2.5 months) months between then and now, I have gained these skills.  
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#Part from [http://www.ssbwiki.com/User_talk:INoMed/Archive_3#This_is_what_you_did_that_I_notice_and_what_I.27m_about_to_tell_you this incident] which you shouldn't have really got into, let alone stuck around, your dispute skills are supreme, and you are a top notch contributor. That, with TheThreeSysops all of a sudden no longer being active at a reliable time anymore, I think you are the optimal candidate at the time. With the exception of the above incident, all your contributions come down to me giving you a '''very, VERY strong support.''' [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 05:57, 8 November 2015 (EST)
#Part from [http://www.ssbwiki.com/User_talk:INoMed/Archive_3#This_is_what_you_did_that_I_notice_and_what_I.27m_about_to_tell_you this incident] which you shouldn't have really got into, let alone stuck around, your dispute skills are supreme, and you are a top notch contributor. That, with TheThreeSysops all of a sudden no longer being active at a reliable time anymore, I think you are the optimal candidate at the time. With the exception of the above incident, all your contributions come down to me giving you a '''very, VERY strong support.''' [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 05:57, 8 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Strong support''' You've always been very helpful to other users (like me) and I've seen your massive improvement since the last time you applied. And your contributions are definitely not to be ignored. You still have some things to improve (like dispute handling), and Miles has VERY valid points (the only reason my support isn't full strength), but I'm sure you can pull it out. I hope you make it. [[User:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Gold">'''Drill Blaster'''</span> <span style="color:LightBlue">'''Mark'''</span> <span style="color:Crimson">'''2'''</span>]] ''([[User talk:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Grey">talk</span>]])'' 06:11, 8 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Strong support''' You've always been very helpful to other users (like me) and I've seen your massive improvement since the last time you applied. And your contributions are definitely not to be ignored. You still have some things to improve (like dispute handling), and Miles has VERY valid points (the only reason my support isn't full strength), but I'm sure you can pull it out. I hope you make it. [[User:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Gold">'''Drill Blaster'''</span> <span style="color:LightBlue">'''Mark'''</span> <span style="color:Crimson">'''2'''</span>]] ''([[User talk:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Grey">talk</span>]])'' 06:11, 8 November 2015 (EST)
#:After reviewing SK's responses to Emmett's qualification page, I can safely say that I give my '''full support'''. They were more than just satisfactory. [[User:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Gold">'''Drill Blaster'''</span> <span style="color:LightBlue">'''Mark'''</span> <span style="color:Crimson">'''2'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Grey">(talk)</span>]]'' 15:12, 20 November 2015 (EST)
#'''SUPPORT TO THE MAX''' all the good points were already taken [[User:Nintendofan1653|Nintendofan1653]] ([[User talk:Nintendofan1653|talk]]) 07:29, 8 November 2015 (EST)
#'''SUPPORT TO THE MAX''' all the good points were already taken [[User:Nintendofan1653|Nintendofan1653]] ([[User talk:Nintendofan1653|talk]]) 07:29, 8 November 2015 (EST)
#<s>'''Support'''. While previously I was unsure whether you really deserved it, since then I believe you've really shown off what you were talking about. That, and you're one of the most active and helpful users I've seen. While Miles has brought up some decent points in my opinion, you still would be a good fit in my book.</s> Removing my vote as I don't feel educated enough to have a say in this, and I feel I should do my homework if I want to make this decision. Best of luck to you, Serpent King. [[User:F0rZ3r0F0r|F0rZ3r0F0r]] ([[User talk:F0rZ3r0F0r|talk]]) 14:08, 8 November 2015 (EST)
#<s>'''Support'''. While previously I was unsure whether you really deserved it, since then I believe you've really shown off what you were talking about. That, and you're one of the most active and helpful users I've seen. While Miles has brought up some decent points in my opinion, you still would be a good fit in my book.</s> Removing my vote as I don't feel educated enough to have a say in this, and I feel I should do my homework if I want to make this decision. Best of luck to you, Serpent King. [[User:F0rZ3r0F0r|F0rZ3r0F0r]] ([[User talk:F0rZ3r0F0r|talk]]) 14:08, 8 November 2015 (EST)
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#<s>'''Support'''</s> I definitely think you would be a good admin, although you definitely should work on your snippiness when exasperated (though this is a good example of the pot calling the kettle black), since, having dealt with that in an admin, it's definitely discouraging to a new user. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  16:59, 10 November 2015 (EST)
#<s>'''Support'''</s> I definitely think you would be a good admin, although you definitely should work on your snippiness when exasperated (though this is a good example of the pot calling the kettle black), since, having dealt with that in an admin, it's definitely discouraging to a new user. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  16:59, 10 November 2015 (EST)
#:Since if dispute handling were really as important as we tend to make it out to be, Nyargle would be the only admin, I'm changing to '''strong support'''. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  17:21, 19 November 2015 (EST)
#:Since if dispute handling were really as important as we tend to make it out to be, Nyargle would be the only admin, I'm changing to '''strong support'''. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  17:21, 19 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Support''' Alright, I took another review of Serpent King, fully read his responses here and on the qualifications page, and I'm gonna now be putting my support behind him. I've found his answers to be satisfactory enough to show he knows what he is doing despite his lackluster RfA intro that gave other impressions, and reinforce my prior thoughts that he has a good head with solid judgment and reasoning skills. The main hangup people claim to have with him are his suppose dispute skills, but outside the smashpotatoes incident, I'm not seeing it, and it's a one-time incident Serpent King has sufficiently shown was likely a one-time thing. Miles' linked examples in particular don't stand out as bothersome outside the aforementioned. As I stated in my oppose, I don't see how he was doing anything remotely close to "heavy-handed berating" in the INoMed convo. On the Drilly Drilly page, I don't see any problem with this supposed "snappiness", as minor as it was, especially when the user he was trying to help been a problem user for a while who brushed off Serpent King's help. For the Toon Link argument, I find it again to be a problem user being needlessly difficult and pushing Serpent King's patience after he mostly handled it well; if anything he should have been more forceful from the getgo. For the Departure convo, I find Serpent King being "snippy" here fully justifiable, when it's the same problem user once again making such a ridiculous post that no one could take seriously. On the contrary, I've found that Serpent King is pretty damn good at serious disputes, particularly on the infamous [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Talk:Marth_%28SSB4%29#.22Subjectivity.22 Marth argument], this [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Talk:Super_Smash_Bros._4#Unfitting_Name.3F Smash 4 name argument], and his involvement with Miles' recent RfB, where I found he provided the most insightful posts besides myself. As such, I can trust giving Serpent King the adminship tools and am confident in his ability to lead on the wiki. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:28, 16 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Support''' Alright, I took another review of Serpent King, fully read his responses here and on the qualifications page, and I'm gonna now be putting my support behind him. I've found his answers to be satisfactory enough to show he knows what he is doing despite his lackluster RfA intro that gave other impressions, and reinforce my prior thoughts that he has a good head with solid judgment and reasoning skills. The main hangup people claim to have with him are his suppose dispute skills, but outside the smashpotatoes incident, I'm not seeing it, and it's a one-time incident Serpent King has sufficiently shown was likely a one-time thing. Miles' linked examples in particular don't stand out as bothersome outside the aforementioned. As I stated in my oppose, I don't see how he was doing anything remotely close to "heavy-handed berating" in the INoMed convo. On the Drilly Drilly page, I don't see any problem with this supposed "snappiness", as minor as it was, especially when the user he was trying to help been a problem user for a while who brushed off Serpent King's help. For the Toon Link argument, I find it again to be a problem user being needlessly difficult and pushing Serpent King's patience after he mostly handled it well; if anything he should have been more forceful from the getgo. For the Departure convo, I find Serpent King being "snippy" here fully justifiable, when it's the same problem user once again making such a ridiculous post that no one could take seriously. On the contrary, I've found that Serpent King is pretty damn good at serious disputes, particularly on the infamous [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Talk:Marth_%28SSB4%29#.22Subjectivity.22 Marth argument], this [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Talk:Super_Smash_Bros._4#Unfitting_Name.3F Smash 4 name argument], and his involvement with Miles' recent RfB, where I found he provided the most insightful posts besides myself. As such, I can trust giving Serpent King the adminship tools and am confident in his ability to lead on the wiki. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:28, 16 November 2015 (EST)
#:I thank you for your time spent on this assessment. Cheers! <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 19:42, 16 November 2015 (EST)
#:I thank you for your time spent on this assessment. Cheers! <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 19:42, 16 November 2015 (EST)
#Your resolve in helping the wiki is admirable, and as OT said you appear to be a fairly sensible and rational user. For me the selling point is your [[User talk:Nyargleblargle/Archive 3#Get rid of this vandal, please.|willingness to spend your own day off protecting the wiki]], alongside other mentions of such. Additionally I am now convinced you will not abuse the admin tools which was a little concern of mine last time. I know my vote probably won't mean much but I will throw my '''support''' anyway. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 23:48, 16 November 2015 (EST)
#Your resolve in helping the wiki is admirable, and as OT said you appear to be a fairly sensible and rational user. For me the selling point is your [[User talk:Nyargleblargle/Archive 3#Get rid of this vandal, please.|willingness to spend your own day off protecting the wiki]], alongside other mentions of such. Additionally I am now convinced you will not abuse the admin tools which was a little concern of mine last time. I know my vote probably won't mean much but I will throw my '''support''' anyway. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 23:48, 16 November 2015 (EST)
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#::I'd also like to point out that these exampled of snippiness (that's not a word, oh well)... are all from the same user. One that you yourself have had issues with <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 04:40, 8 November 2015 (EST)
#::I'd also like to point out that these exampled of snippiness (that's not a word, oh well)... are all from the same user. One that you yourself have had issues with <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 04:40, 8 November 2015 (EST)
#:::[[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|More snippies]]. All over that talk page. Then again, these two users were indeed outright harassing you. I mean [[User talk:Serpent King#Departure|Drilly attempted to make you leave]]. Still, you might wanna give better examples. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 06:01, 8 November 2015 (EST)
#:::[[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|More snippies]]. All over that talk page. Then again, these two users were indeed outright harassing you. I mean [[User talk:Serpent King#Departure|Drilly attempted to make you leave]]. Still, you might wanna give better examples. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 06:01, 8 November 2015 (EST)
#<s>'''Slight oppose''': So I just spent the past few hours looking through your contribution history. First thing I'll say is that outside of the Smashpotatoes incident, the linked discussions Miles brought up do not have any real bearing against your capabilities (especially the INoMed thing, I don't see how you were "heavily-handed berating" there at all or doing anything wrong). Overall you appear to be a great user with a solid head, but while I don't find you poor at user conflict and discussion, I don't find anything that shows you especially excel at it. I was somewhat leaning towards your support, but your proposal here is extremely lacking and shows a lack of understanding of what a wiki really requires in an admin. I have no doubt you can handle vandals well, but like I repeat over and over, that's a basic job anyone with basic competency can do. Besides that, I just don't have a strong grasp on your overall judgment. And with that, I'll have to lean to oppose, as I won't support the promotion of someone on an overall "why not?" basis. Like I said in the Disaster Flare RfA, I'm open to being convinced otherwise if you want to try and have anything to show me that could change my mind, I think you have the potential but I want to be 100% certain you do before supporting an RfA of yours. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:03, 14 November 2015 (EST)</s>
#<s>'''Slight oppose''': So I just spent the past few hours looking through your contribution history. First thing I'll say is that outside of the Smashpotatoes incident, the linked discussions Miles brought up do not have any real bearing against your capabilities (especially the INoMed thing, I don't see how you were "heavily-handed berating" there at all or doing anything wrong). Overall you appear to be a great user with a solid head, but while I don't find you poor at user conflict and discussion, I don't find anything that shows you especially excel at it. I was somewhat leaning towards your support, but your proposal here is extremely lacking and shows a lack of understanding of what a wiki really requires in an admin. I have no doubt you can handle vandals well, but like I repeat over and over, that's a basic job anyone with basic competency can do. Besides that, I just don't have a strong grasp on your overall judgment. And with that, I'll have to lean to oppose, as I won't support the promotion of someone on an overall "why not?" basis. Like I said in the Disaster Flare RfA, I'm open to being convinced otherwise if you want to try and have anything to show me that could change my mind, I think you have the potential but I want to be 100% certain you do before supporting an RfA of yours. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:03, 14 November 2015 (EST)</s>
#:Let me start by saying that I do know that I did wrong on the smashpotatos thing, that was mostly out of...annoyance I had had with him in the past. Now, reading over your response here, I am not entirely sure what you are expecting out of me, but I'll try my best.  
#:Let me start by saying that I do know that I did wrong on the smashpotatos thing, that was mostly out of...annoyance I had had with him in the past. Now, reading over your response here, I am not entirely sure what you are expecting out of me, but I'll try my best.  
#:*I have been involved in, and have fought vandals on many occasions. I agree with you that this alone does not mean that admin should be granted, as this could be true of any rollbacker.
#:*I have been involved in, and have fought vandals on many occasions. I agree with you that this alone does not mean that admin should be granted, as this could be true of any rollbacker.
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#:*My strongest attribute, which I foolishly left out of this RfA, is my ability to deal with newer users. I have [[User_talk:Ganonmew/Archive_1#Hi_there|shown]] [[User_talk:INoMed/Archive_1#So_you.27ve_been_here_for_a_little_while_now|this]] [[User_talk:Drill_Blaster_Mark_2/Archive_1#Go_to_your_preference_and_copypaste_this_on_there:|quality]] [[User_talk:Xaltis#Hi!|time]] [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Nintendofan1653&diff=753313&oldid=753312 and] [[User_talk:Pseudo-dino|time]] [[User_talk:Serpent_King/Archive_2#Pic_uploads|again.]]
#:*My strongest attribute, which I foolishly left out of this RfA, is my ability to deal with newer users. I have [[User_talk:Ganonmew/Archive_1#Hi_there|shown]] [[User_talk:INoMed/Archive_1#So_you.27ve_been_here_for_a_little_while_now|this]] [[User_talk:Drill_Blaster_Mark_2/Archive_1#Go_to_your_preference_and_copypaste_this_on_there:|quality]] [[User_talk:Xaltis#Hi!|time]] [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Nintendofan1653&diff=753313&oldid=753312 and] [[User_talk:Pseudo-dino|time]] [[User_talk:Serpent_King/Archive_2#Pic_uploads|again.]]
#:So yeah, if you have anything specific, please do not hesitate to ask me. Otherwise, I hope this has somewhat swayed you. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 19:38, 14 November 2015 (EST)
#:So yeah, if you have anything specific, please do not hesitate to ask me. Otherwise, I hope this has somewhat swayed you. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 19:38, 14 November 2015 (EST)
#::Pretty much this is the [[User:Shadowcrest/Qualifications|criteria]] I'm expecting of you. If you can sufficiently answer the questions given there, I'll reconsider. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:53, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#::Pretty much this is the [[User:Shadowcrest/Qualifications|criteria]] I'm expecting of you. If you can sufficiently answer the questions given there, I'll reconsider. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:53, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::Right then, [[User:Serpent King/Qualifications|here you go]]. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 14:59, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#:::Right then, [[User:Serpent King/Qualifications|here you go]]. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 14:59, 15 November 2015 (EST)


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