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The order of stages has already been changed to match the order of stages we use for all other games. We will not be ordering characters by their Sakurai numbers on this page for the same reason. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Yoshi 23:12, 28 August 2018 (EDT) | The order of stages has already been changed to match the order of stages we use for all other games. We will not be ordering characters by their Sakurai numbers on this page for the same reason. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Yoshi 23:12, 28 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
::Was that decision made to keep consistency across the wiki? I can't think of any other reason to keep that order in ''Ultimate'''s case. Also, when was that decision reached? Because I don't see it on this page.([[User talk:47.199.44.226|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/47.199.44.226|contribs]]) 11:30pm, 28 August 2018 (EDT) | ::Was that decision made to keep consistency across the wiki? I can't think of any other reason to keep that order in ''Ultimate'''s case. Also, when was that decision reached? Because I don't see it on this page.([[User talk:47.199.44.226|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/47.199.44.226|contribs]]) 11:30pm, 28 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
Just out of curiosity, why ''aren't'' we putting the characters and stages in their ''Ultimate'' orders? I checked some other wikis related to ''Smash'' before writing this to see if any did so, and out of the ones that list more than just their respective characters, the Mario, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Mega Man, and Nintendo wikis have them in their ''numbered'' order. (The Mega Man wiki has the ''option'' of listing them by number while the Mario wiki keeps the newcomers separate) Like "47.199.44.226" had asked before, is it ''just'' to keep consistency on the ''wiki''? Regardless if its not done because there doesn't ''seem'' to be a purpose for the order in the game, it still seems kind of weird to me. At least with the ''other'' installments the wiki order sort of match the games' with few exceptions. I also like "47.199.44.226"'s suggestion of putting the number for the characters' Ultimate pages (At the very least ''mentioned''). (Can someone please explain in detail for these?) [[User:Wolff| Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 22:02, 18 November 2018 (EST) | |||
:[[SmashWiki is not official]]; we do not have to follow the game's order. Plus, it's inconsistent with all other games. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 22:47, 18 November 2018 (EST) | |||
::I thought one of the points is that was ''suppose'' to be inconstant with the previous installments? I get that we don't ''have'' to follow what is official if it is not a big deal or changes much. Regardless, I was just curious why it was not following it. Thank you for informing me. ) It still feels really weird not following it (At least not for the time being). [[User:Wolff| Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 22:57, 18 November 2018 (EST) | |||
== Yoshi's Island location == | == Yoshi's Island location == | ||
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:In regards to Sheik, however, given how [[Dark Samus (SSBU)|inconsistent]] the Smash Blog seems to be, I think that it's very likely that this was an error, and that it will be fixed later; this is just speculation on my part, and we could very well see something consistent later. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''the Spooky Rurouni'''</span>]] 19:23, 2 October 2018 (EDT) | :In regards to Sheik, however, given how [[Dark Samus (SSBU)|inconsistent]] the Smash Blog seems to be, I think that it's very likely that this was an error, and that it will be fixed later; this is just speculation on my part, and we could very well see something consistent later. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''the Spooky Rurouni'''</span>]] 19:23, 2 October 2018 (EDT) | ||
::Given that one of Zelda's trophies in ''Smash 4'' refers to Sheik as a "young man", it's likely that NoA uses masculine pronouns when they're trying to hide that Sheik is Zelda, and feminine pronouns when they're not. For what it's worth, | ::Given the earlier mention that one of Zelda's trophies in ''Smash 4'' refers to Sheik as a "young man" (and the avoidance of any pronouns in Sheik's tips), it's likely that NoA uses masculine pronouns when they're trying to hide that Sheik is Zelda, and feminine pronouns when they're not. For what it's worth, although Japanese ''does'' have gendered pronouns, it's very easy and natural to write while avoiding them entirely (this also happened with [[Sukapon]]'s Smash Blog entry). I doubt that it'll be changed, though, and the final game will probably use the same guidelines as ''Smash 4''. [[User:DryKirby64|DryKirby64]] ([[User talk:DryKirby64|talk]]) 20:30, 2 October 2018 (EDT) | ||
:::I'm belaboring a point here, but the line from the trophy description is that Zelda "takes on the guise of a young man named Sheik." This is not hiding anything, it is explicitly stating that Sheik is a male persona used as a disguise by Zelda. You can say that the in-universe character of Sheik as acted by Zelda in OoT is male. You cannot say the out-of-universe Nintendo character called Sheik is male, since she is just Zelda in disguise, and no official material has ever been inconsistent on this point. [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 21:55, 2 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
::Official references to Sheik as male were also a one-time thing, within the script and promotional materials of OoT itself, and never again after that. As I said, what people cite as recent official references to Sheik as male are entirely misconstrued references to the male ''persona'' of Sheik as acted out by Zelda in OoT (such as the Zelda trophy description). [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 22:01, 2 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
The fact that the official posts have all been using she pronouns aside from one case makes it clear the outlier is the error, especially when we have consistent precedent since 2001. That's all there is to it. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:31, 2 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
:Was just about to talk about this until you beat me to it. Not sure if anyone has seen [https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1047018344212250625?s=19 this], nor am I certain if this helps close the case, but I thought it was worth posting here. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">HUAH!</span>]]</b> 22:34, 2 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
Sheik is most likely still female (although there are theories that Zelda changes gender when transforming), but is often referred to as male due to the majority of in-game characters thinking that Sheik is male. [[User:ProLink|ProLink]] ([[User talk:ProLink|talk]]) 09:08, 20 December 2018 (EST) | |||
people in the game think Sheik is male, like pit. and people in the real world think "he" is male, "he" is in quotation marks because Sheik is female because sheik is Zelda in disguise, also I never saw theory like that prolink. --[[Special:Contributions/98.127.69.195|98.127.69.195]] 00:40, May 27, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Newcomers for SSB Ultimate == | |||
Could we separate the newcomers for SSBU into two rows, one for the unique ones and the second row for the echoes? While keeping the franchise order as it is right now, of course. It would provide a little more clarity, as the epsilon symbols next to the echoes is quite small. --[[User:GenoBeam|GenoBeam]] ([[User talk:GenoBeam|talk]]) 02:02, 11 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
== Confirmed Items == | |||
On the item page, MinorEdits added lip's stick to the list of confirmed items for Smash Ultimate, 91.163.209.65 added POW block and pitfall to list of confirmed items, and CiciPop added deku nut to list of confirmed items. Can someone please tell me where these items have been seen? [[Special:Contributions/24.6.217.5|24.6.217.5]] 16:29, 29 October 2018 (PDT) | |||
== Grammar: 'Amount' vs 'Number' == | |||
The word 'amount' is used incorrectly three times on this page. You can't say "amount of characters", "amount of stages", etc. You can only use 'amount' for things you *can't* count. It should be 'number' instead. It's used incorrectly once in the stages section and twice in the trivia. [[User:Mike4Lifexx|Mike4Lifexx]] ([[User talk:Mike4Lifexx|talk]]) 21:36, 18 November 2018 (EST)Mike4Lifexx | |||
:It's fixed now, thank you for pointing that out. [[User:Ponyshment|<span style="color:Purple; text-shadow: 1px 1px 6px purple">'''Ponyshment'''</span>]] [[File:PonyshmentSignature.png|20px|link=User_talk:Ponyshment]] 21:46, 18 November 2018 (EST) | |||
== Marx Boss Fight Footage == | |||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPTOoyU78C0&feature=youtu.be | |||
[[Special:Contributions/174.126.188.47|174.126.188.47]] 18:51, 24 November 2018 (EST) | |||
== Coin Battle Mention == | |||
I feel as if in the trivia section under 'This is the first Smash Bros. Game to: | |||
- Remove the Coin Battle mode since first being introduced in Super Smash Bros. Melee. | |||
Thought I would put it here. | |||
[[User:Brittmfain|Brittmfain]] ([[User talk:Brittmfain|talk]]) 16:40, 25 November 2018 (EST) | |||
== it comes out tomorrow == | |||
I'm excited to play smash [[User:Sammybambam11|Sammybambam11]] ([[User talk:Sammybambam11|talk]]) 21:50, 4 December 2018 (EST) | |||
:We're all excited, but this is the wrong use of a talk page. This place is for serious discussion and not idle talk. [[User:Mexi|Mexi]] ([[User talk:Mexi|talk]]) 09:58, 6 December 2018 (EST) | |||
::OK where can I say it [[User:Sammybambam11|Sammybambam11]] ([[User talk:Sammybambam11|talk]]) 10:05, 6 December 2018 (EST) | |||
:::Anywhere but the wiki, to say the least. [[File:SonicSpeed48ChristmasSig4.png|17px]][[User:SonicSpeed48|<span style="color: darkgreen ;">'''Sonic'''</span>]], [[User talk:SonicSpeed48|<span style="color: red;">'''the Cheerful Speedster'''</span>]][[File:ChristmasTimeTigger.png|17px]] 10:08, 6 December 2018 (EST) | |||
== Stage Hazard Toggle Info == | |||
Ultimate's stage hazard toggle affects each stage differently. Might it be a good idea to document this with a new section in each stage's page, similar to the section for the Omega and Battlefield forms? [[User:Munomario777|Munomario777]] ([[User talk:Munomario777|talk]]) 17:54, 11 December 2018 (EST) | |||
== Names of regular attacks == | |||
The tips section of Ultimate provides the name of some standard attacks, such as Lead Headbutt for Mario's up smash and Tornado Kick for Fox's forward aerial. Is it worth adding these to the name section of the movesets in Smash 4's character pages or in Ultimate's, if they will be added eventually? [[Special:Contributions/98.116.184.165|98.116.184.165]] 15:32, 14 December 2018 (EST) | |||
== Challenger's Approach == | |||
I believe that "Challenger's Approach" should be added to the "Menu and UI changes" section as a new gameplay mode(?). Unless there's another place this could be put in. [[User:ChefLaur|ChefLaur]] ([[User talk:ChefLaur|talk]]) 08:54, 17 December 2018 (EST) | |||
== Addition to "Aesthetic Changes" == | |||
Barely visible smoke particles will emit upwards from above your character's model to indicate they have exhausted all of their available midair jumps. [[User:PatrickVFX16|PatrickVFX16]] ([[User talk:PatrickVFX16|talk]]) 14:18, 17 December 2018 (EST) | |||
:Additionally, a slight pillar of flame or whatever appears on a fighter who had been hit to show the direction they're going to get launched, it's easier to see with Corrin's Dragon Fang Shot but it always happens. [[Special:Contributions/98.116.184.165|98.116.184.165]] 18:37, 17 December 2018 (EST) | |||
== Additional info for perfect shields == | |||
I think the info that after a perfect shield, the attacker suffers 3 more frames of lag then the perfect shielding player should be added to the Paragraph about perfect shield changes from SSB4. I would add this myself if the page wasn't protected. | |||
[[User:ProLink|ProLink]] ([[User talk:ProLink|talk]]) 09:04, 20 December 2018 (EST) | |||
== Names of standard attacks == | |||
In the Nintendo Power strategy guide for Melee, the names of every standard move are given. Many are consistent with the Ultimate counterparts given in the tips section (like Lead Headbutt, Electric Flower, Straight & Cannon Hammer, etc.), so I think we should add the names for moves that haven't changed from Melee to Ultimate. One argument I've seen is "Just to be safe/consistent, I'm removing these names for normals since none are mentioned in-game." I feel that it's more speculative to remove them for not being mentioned in game, since it hasn't been confirmed that they would all have changed names. Few moves have changed names though (like Meteor Knuckle, Jump Slash, etc.). If we were given the names in Melee, and many are still consistent, it's logical to add them back. After all, when Super Smash Bros for the Switch was announced, we didn't need official confirmation to know that Mario and Champion Link were in the game, their names weren't mentioned but the physical appearances were consistent. [[User:Luigi86101|Luigi86101]] ([[User talk:Luigi86101|talk]]) 12:09, 3 February 2019 (EST) | |||
:(This is the same person) Additionally, Smash Wiki is not official and it's against the rules to remove a term for not being official, not to mention that these terms even ''are'' official. [[User:Luigi86101|Luigi86101]] ([[User talk:Luigi86101|talk]]) 20:35, 8 March 2019 (EST) | |||
== Why does no one check this page? == | |||
For being a talk page, people sure don't really talk. The last few topics brought up good points but since no one checks this page, they're never considered. I understand that this may be improper use of a talk page, but this is a big problem. [[User:Luigi86101|Luigi86101]] ([[User talk:Luigi86101|talk]]) 19:00, 26 February 2019 (EST) | |||
== Request to keep Ridley's size at 500px == | |||
Put him in the middle of the newcomer thing, keep him at 500px and just keep it as a good inside joke. Love you guys and enjoy the rest of your April Fools Day. Also, before I go, I [https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/surrealmemes/images/f/ff/Noggin.png/revision/latest?cb=20190114192842 found the full Joker render for the page]. [[User:Enigma|Enigma]] ([[User talk:Enigma|talk]]) 22:16, April 1, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:AFD content is generally never kept unless archived. No matter how ''absolutely hilarious'' a joke is, I don't think broken templates and jarring visuals justify its existence outside of AFD. If you ''absolutely'' cannot go a single day without thinking about Ridley's size inside the wiki, put [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:SSBU_character_table&oldid=1210192 this link] in your bookmarks. [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=User_talk:Nokii]] '''[[User:Nokii|{{color|#89d|Nokii}}]]''' — 22:43, April 1, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Stage Builder leak from official Nintendo Ad == | |||
https://twitter.com/SSBUNews/status/1115763344663830531 | |||
Have fun. [[User:SammyTFM|SammyTFM]] ([[User talk:SammyTFM|talk]]) 20:06, April 9, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== DLC characters on Character chart? == | |||
Can someone tell me what happened to the character chart? Why does it have those four characters? Is someone trolling, cause I can't find anything on this. I must assume someone mistaken a leak as fact. Can someone conform this for me? I am greatly confused. [[:User:Cleb13frede|Caleb13frede]] ([[User talk:Caleb13frede|talk]]) 9:42 May 6th, 2019 (PDT) | |||
==Fix the Title Fast!== | |||
Someone griefed the title! Hurry and fix it please, it's not good. I'll delete this when it's fixed. [[User:Jungomo|Jungomo]] ([[User talk:Jungomo|talk]]) 17:44, May 10, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:what is wrong with the title? --[[Special:Contributions/98.127.69.195|98.127.69.195]] 00:36, May 27, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::1. It's fine now. 2. New discussions go at the bottom, not the top. 3. You indent by putting a colon in front of whatever you want to indent, not in parentheses. 4. You only need to hit Enter once if you're adding a reply, not twice. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 00:42, May 27, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Can we at least leave the VR section temporarily? == | |||
Can we please leave the VR section until the page is made? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 12:28, May 31, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:Done. I started the page. All work goes there now. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 12:35, May 31, 2019 (EDT) | |||
Very well. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 12:36, May 31, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:For future reference, if you need to access information that was removed from a page, use the page's history. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:10, May 31, 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Character artwork == | |||
I distinctly remember this section had official artwork of the Mother 3 cast. Anyone know what happened to it? I know M3 was Japan only but it still makes sense to have various franchises represented in this section, since it is about Ultimate and the EarthBound series is growing in popularity. Why exactly was it removed? Or was it actually unofficial artwork?[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> '''SupaToad64''' </span>]] [[ Image: Supatoad64Sig.jpg|20px ]] 00:15, June 9, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:For one, [[SW:SIG|your signature's image is way too big - you're gonna need to shrink it a bit.]] | |||
:Secondly, could you give an example (a link to an earlier version of the page, for example) of what you're referring to? [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 01:35, June 9, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::Thanks for pointing out my sig image, I had a feeling my image was too large and it should be fixed now. The page can be found here[[https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate&diff=1151033&oldid=1151031]] which contains an image which seems to have been deleted named "Lucas Ultimate Artwork.jpg" A later page with the image removed said the artwork was not used officially so that may be the reason why it was removed.[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> '''SupaToad64''' </span>]] [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 21:10, June 9, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::Oh, that thing. The 8-bit Mother 3 thing, right? That was removed because it wasn't a part of the whole collaborative Smash Ultimate countdown. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 21:41, June 9, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::I see now thanks for pointing that out. I didn't notice the section was focusing on the countdown (I just recently joined, which kinda explains why my original sig image was huge). I thought it was removed due to M3 being released in Japan only, outside of the fan translation.[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> '''SupaToad64''' </span>]] [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 23:06, June 9, 2019 (EDT) | |||