Editing Talk:Ottawa Power Rankings

Please stop editing the tags back to the old ones. I've updated them to the ones that are currently used <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:24.202.139.55|24.202.139.55]] ([[User talk:24.202.139.55|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.202.139.55|contribs]]) 08:14, July 9, 2022 (EDT)</small>

Please stop reverting tags to the ones players used pre-transition as it makes it easier for people with bad intentions to search their old tags and find old videos. Dead tags are like dead names. If you must, delete my old tag from the wiki and leave it bank, or use the appropriate new tag. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:24.202.139.55 |24.202.139.55 ]] ([[User talk:24.202.139.55 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.202.139.55 |contribs]]) 11:59, July 12, 2023</small>

:We use what was used at the time of publishing. If a tournament or forum post uses the old tag (which would be their current tag at the time) and someone sees a different tag here, then there will be confusion. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 08:19, July 9, 2022 (EDT)
::Canvas is right. We don't change instances of the old tag on the wiki since we still need to preserve the old tag for documentation purposes and historical accuracy, which you can read about [[SmashWiki:Smasher article guidelines#Other guidelines to remember|here]]. In addition by reverting Canvas's changes you are engaging in [[SW:WAR|edit warring]]. Next time, instead of making one comment, ignoring what Canvas said, and even removing it -- we don't remove talk page posts -- just bring the discussion to the talk page and we can sort it out there. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 13:27, July 12, 2023 (EDT)

didn't expect to have transphobes on the melee wiki especially after I've added more than half these melee pr's over the years, even conducting interviews with 2008 players to try to find the lost to time 2008 brawl pr. Also I didn't pick up puff until covid hit in 2020 stop adding her next to the old PR's it's not accurate
:Ah shoot, I completely misread your comment since I just reverted the comment to what was there when Canvas initially commented, which didn't mention the tag being a dead tag and your arguments for it; really sorry about that. Admittedly, we've never really had a precedence in dealing with dead tags, so I'm gonna discuss this with other users. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 13:36, July 12, 2023 (EDT)

For clarification, I've added back the comment you made before I initially reverted this page. Again, I'm very sorry for not understanding this situation before butting in. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 14:22, July 12, 2023 (EDT)

Our [[SW:SMASHER#Other guidelines to remember|policy]] is that we do not change listings of old tags in results and PR tables, to maintain encyclopedic integrity by keeping our information accurate and consistent with our sources, as well as to not confuse any readers when the information given does not match said sources, Copy pasting what I said before when discussing the handling of "dead tags":

"Here is the conundrum. If we were to "update" the listings of old tags in every old PR, tourney result, etc. documented here, it will just serve to confuse readers that check the PR sources and brackets when they don't see the new tag anywhere. There's then the significant logistical issues to this; we have thousands of smashers documented here and tag changes happen frequently across them, trying to keep up with that and "update" old tag listings isn't realistic, and if a longtime top player decided to change their tag, there would be literally hundreds of pages to go through (if Mew2king for example changed his tag and wanted us to scrub all mentions of M2K off the wiki, there's currently 726 content pages his tag shows up on, would anyone really be up for going through all that?). Tag changes are also volatile; we had an incident where Squerk, who had changed his tag to "tyler", sent someone here to start shit with us because we wouldn't change all old listings of Squerk on the wiki to "tyler"... only for him to change his tag back to Squerk a month later anyway. And it's not work that can be relegated to bots either, when multiple people can have the same tag and/or the tag is a word that gets used for other purposes, while bots can't discern the context of which a tag is used (Light for example shows up on 1573 content pages for a ton of different purposes, going through all that if one of the many players named Light decided it was a "dead tag" would be a nightmare and they probably wouldn't be helping us either). Sure doing this for a small-time smasher whose old tag only shows up on their local PR's page and a few tournament pages wouldn't be much work, but I don't want to start introducing exceptions and being inconsistent with this, that will just open up for other people to argue "you did this for them, why not me?", nor open us up to a top player doing the same and then being faced with scouring through hundreds of pages to scrub any mention of their old tag, all for something that will just worsen the readers' experience.

Plus I ultimately don't see what scrubbing old tags off the wiki practically achieves; the old tags will still be plainly visible in PR images, VODs of old matches, old forum/reddit/twitter/discord posts, or just a click away in a bracket link, and any suggestion that we don't post nor link sources that contain disowned tags is completely unnegotiable. When it comes to the conflict between appeasing the players being documented and having information as complete as possible for its readers, a wiki should always prioritize the latter, with the only appeasements we made being things that really have no relevance to a player's Smash history (such as removing personal information that a reader doesn't need to know to understand the full extent of a player's Smash career)."

With that said, the ''only'' exception I would be willing to consider budging on is if the old tag was the player's actual name, but looking "[https://www.behindthename.com/names/search.php?terms=Vierance Vierance]" up, it doesn't appear to be a real name at all, so there will be no exception being made here. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:32, July 12, 2023 (EDT)
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