Editing Talk:List of Super Smash Bros. references in other franchises

== Kid Icarus references ==
Could someone upload a video of Paluntena and Pit playing Brawl in Kid Icarus Uprising? I don't have the Japanese version, so I can't. [[User:Harro|👾Harro👾]] ([[User talk:Harro|talk]]) 04:32, 26 July 2014 (EDT)

== Hyrule Warriors? ==

Would Sheik having a braid be a reference to Brawl's Sheik? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 17:00, 24 August 2014 (EDT)
:Since Brawl's Sheik is a reference to TP's development, no. It still originates in the Zelda series, albeit as concept art. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:31, 24 August 2014 (EDT)

== "Other franchises" section... ==

I don't think this section should have references from anything other than other video games and other official media based on video game properties (for example, the Sonic comics from Archie.) Otherwise this section would get really big and full of obscure stuff quickly. I'm also considering taking the Cartoon Network game off of there as well, since that isn't really a reference to ''Smash Bros.'' - other mascot fighters have existed for years now, such as ''Jump Super Stars'', and the concept of assist characters and super moves didn't originate in ''Smash''. ''PSASBR'' would remain, however, since it's a direct counterpart to ''Smash'' from a rival console manufacturer (of which there are only three, Nintendo and Sony being two) and its title is an explicit reference to this series' Japanese title, confirmed by that game's developers themselves. [[Image:VinSymbol.png|16px|link=User:VinLAURiA]][[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 08:13, 29 November 2014 (EST)
:I think we should allow non-game-based references if the reference is blatant enough, but that raises the question of how we'd define such a thing. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Pan-Galactic 10:20, 29 November 2014 (EST)
::I agree. At the moment, we really don't have any that are too questionable. (At least in my opinion.) <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:red">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:green">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  11:26, 29 November 2014 (EST)

*Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion is basically a cheap knock-off of Smash Bros. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znk5EX3LgK4]
*The MAD cartoon is a blatant reference to Smash Bros. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sJqMMG8QZc]
*As for the anime that was mentioned, I've never seen it. But given what was listed, it seems to have an obvious reference to Smash Bros. 
All of the references that were removed were legitimate. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:red">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:green">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  11:50, 29 November 2014 (EST)
:Bumping this. All references removed were legit, and we can put non-game references here as well; it's a reference list; if it's a reference to ''Smash Bros.'', it should go on the list. Also, you don't just remove stuff from pages if the removal might be controversial, as is now, and I firmly believe ChuckNorris24's rollback was '''not''' misuse (sorry if I sound a little hypocritical here, but I voiced my opinion). <font face="Marker Felt">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:red;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|20x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:green;">''Reflect!''</span>]]</font> 18:27, 2 December 2014 (EST)
:Now, based on what I said, may I or may I not revert the page before the removal? <font face="Marker Felt">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:red;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|20x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:green;">''Reflect!''</span>]]</font> 18:39, 2 December 2014 (EST)
::I'd say yes, the MAD one being the most notable of them, however CN: TPE is a gray area simply because it doesn't actually ''reference'' the series. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 19:05, 2 December 2014 (EST)
:::All right, we can at least leave CN:TPE out unless someone says otherwise, but I'll add back the other two, since those are ''clearly'' references. <font face="Marker Felt">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:red;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|20x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:green;">''Reflect!''</span>]]</font> 19:11, 2 December 2014 (EST)
::::CN: PTE was purposefully made to be similar to Smash Bros. I'd say it's fine to add unless someone has a really good reason not to. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:red">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:green">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  19:16, 2 December 2014 (EST)
:::::Well, the thing is, CN:PTE doesn't actually reference Smash Bros. at all. This is a list of references, not a list of blatant ripoffs. Then again, I was the one who added it in the first place… <font face="Marker Felt">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:red;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|20x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:green;">''Reflect!''</span>]]</font> 19:25, 2 December 2014 (EST)
::::::But it references Smash with its gameplay. PSABR AND CN: PTE are really the only notable Smash ripoffs that have been made by major companies. I see no reason to leave it off of this page. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:red">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:green">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  19:33, 2 December 2014 (EST)
:::::::All right, I'll put it back. But if it gets removed, then there's that. <font face="Marker Felt">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:red;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|20x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:green;">''Reflect!''</span>]]</font> 19:46, 2 December 2014 (EST)

==My Edit==

OK, so firstly, even though yes the sword was only used in Melee, it was still in the Spaceworld demo which predated it (and was supposedly going to be used in a Zelda title), so it's not really a reference at all to the series. Plus, we didn't include Sheik (two sections up) because she was based on concept art. As for Zelda, I really wouldn't call this a reference as she uses a LOT of things she's never used before in Hyrule Warriors (i.e. Dominion Rod, Wind Waker, Bombs, Hookshot, Regular Bow, Boomerang). Additionally, the spells are used in a vastly different fashion in Hyrule Warriors.

I won't deny that it's possible they're references, but it's highly suspect. Also, Zelda's Special attack with the Rapier is a single straight shot with her [[Light Bow]] (with a similar charge-up to Brawl), this could be a reference as well, but once again it is suspect. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 23:21, 13 February 2015 (EST)
:Ganondorf has never used that sword in a released Zelda game, but has in Smash. Zelda has never used the OoT spells in a Zelda game, but has in Smash. What's unclear about this? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 00:25, 14 February 2015 (EST)
::Given how they seem to be taking everything from everywhere and squeezing it in somehow, it's kind of difficult to tell whether these particular things were a Smash Bros. reference or an independent thought process. Personally I think that Zelda using the spells is a more likely reference than OoT-Ganondorf having his sword. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The SMASH-GINEER 10:05, 14 February 2015 (EST)

== Zelda Spells ==

None of the spells appear in The Adventure of Link- however, some similar ones (Fire magic = Din's Fire, Shield/Reflect magic = Nayru's Love). However, there is no Farore's Wind counterpart, and there are differences (specifically the names). <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]] </small>  14:47, 2 July 2015 (EDT)
:I was thinking of the pendants. But I think it's worth a nod in the section. Perhaps we could mention it as a possible origin for the spells? [[User:LittleMacmain97|LittleMacmain97]], the [[Little Mac|World Circuit]] is mine! ([[User talk:LittleMacmain97|Talk]]) 14:51, 2 July 2015 (EDT)
::I mean, it's a potential origin in the Zelda games themselves, but not so much in the context of Smash where they're pretty clearly the OoT spells, which are then associated with Zelda herself in HW when they weren't in OoT. I don't see how that's relevant to the point we're making on this page. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:53, 2 July 2015 (EDT)
:::I see it as worthy enough to at least get a mention on the Zelda universe page. It seems like an origin to me. Plus, it's a Link to the Past. So much new stuff came outta there, it ain't a strech to think it's the origin of the spells. [[User:LittleMacmain97|LittleMacmain97]], the [[Little Mac|World Circuit]] is mine! ([[User talk:LittleMacmain97|Talk]]) 14:59, 2 July 2015 (EDT)

== Please ==

Fix my edit [[Special:Contributions/73.52.84.159|73.52.84.159]] 11:24, 10 May 2016 (EDT)

== xkcd? ==

Thoughts on whether [https://xkcd.com/2069/ this] warrants a mention? The webcomic is [[wikipedia:xkcd|fairly notable]]. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:21, 13 November 2018 (EST)
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 Thoughts on whether [https://xkcd.com/2069/ this] warrants a mention? The webcomic is [[wikipedia:xkcd|fairly notable]]. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:21, 13 November 2018 (EST)
-:'''I personally think so.''' I mean, it does mention the name of the game after all. [[File:SonicSpeed48ThanksgivingSig4.png|17px]][[User:SonicSpeed48|<span style="color: gold;">'''Sonic'''</span>]], [[User talk:SonicSpeed48|<span style="color: brown;">'''the Thankful Speedster'''</span>]][[File:FallLovingTigger.png|17px]] 01:24, 13 November 2018 (EST)
-:Given how Siri has no known physical appearance, it'd be interesting to see how it would appear in Smash... [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 01:35, 13 November 2018 (EST)
-==Nickelodeon trivia point==
-[[User:Cookies and Creme/Nickelodeon x Smash Bros.|I happened to have made a page with all the references made]]. Is it possible that we can link that page here? Writing out all the references will probably crowd up the section as well. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 21:40, September 27, 2019 (EDT)
-== Possible reference in PK Flash ==
-So I noticed something while playing Mother 3 is that PK Flash is green as opposed to white like in EarthBound, and in Melee PK Flash is also green. Mother 3 released in 2006, about 5 years after Melee, so there is a possibility  that PK Flash being green might be based on its appearence in Melee.
-It is still possible that it might be a coincidence though so... yeah  what are your thoughts? [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #18F">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<span style="font-size:12pt"><font color="blue">OmegαToαd64</font></span>]] • [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">the Best Kαrter</font>]]'''</span> 23:53, April 30, 2020 (EDT)
-:bump I guess [[File:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #18F">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<font color="blue">OmegαToαd64</font>]] • [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<small><font color="springgreen">the Best Kαrter</font></small>]]'''</span> 09:01, May 18, 2020 (EDT)
-::While this could be a reference, it could also be a case of a franchise adopting a ''Smash Bros.'' aspect later in its series (which multiple series do, as evidenced by this very page). [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 11:15, May 18, 2020 (EDT)
-:::K just making sure it counts before adding it in. [[File:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #18F">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<font color="blue">OmegαToαd64</font>]] • [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<small><font color="springgreen">the Best Kαrter</font></small>]]'''</span> 19:24, May 19, 2020 (EDT)
-== Smash reference in the ''Dillon'' series? ==
-So, there's some concept art for ''Dillon's Dead-Heat Breakers'' (which is viewable in-game, by the way, you just have to get good enough rankings on each stage), and one of them is of [[Dillon]] in a very similar pose to his trophy in ''Smash 4''. For comparison:
-*[[:File:DillonTrophyWiiU.png|''Smash 4'' trophy]]
-*[https://64.media.tumblr.com/bf7152c55d9dbe248873bef0a4cc449a/tumblr_p9iq2ocogv1teftymo2_400.jpg DDHB concept art] (This is probably the best quality it will be at until someone at The Spriter's Resource actually decides to rip this game)
-Considering this is just concept art, but it is actually viewable within the game itself, is it fine to add it here? [[File:SmashTurtlesSig1.png|20px]][[User:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: green;">'''SuperSmashTurtles'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: lightgreen;">'''Turtle Tribe'''</span>]][[File:SmashTurtlesSig2.png|20px]] 09:16, July 16, 2020 (EDT)
-:Seems like it qualifies to me. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:45, July 16, 2020 (EDT)
-== Fangames / ''Smash''-inspired games ==
-To avoid starting an edit war, do ''Rivals of Aether'' and ''Fraymakers'' really count for this page? The specific idea here is to document direct references to ''Smash'', and I don't think games ''inspired'' by ''Smash'' should count because they don't directly reference the series. It's usually the opposite, actually, to avoid legal trouble. By extension, this would also apply to ''PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale''. If nothing else, a separate section for them would be preferable to me. ~ [[User:StrawberryChan|<span style="color: #e68;">'''StrawberryChan'''</span>]] ([[User talk:StrawberryChan|talk]]) 20:05, December 26, 2020 (EST)
-:Okay, well, I moved them to their own section, if nothing else. I'm still not sure they belong on this page, but I think that's a better solution. ~ [[User:StrawberryChan|<span style="color: #e68;">'''StrawberryChan'''</span>]] ([[User talk:StrawberryChan|talk]]) 20:23, December 26, 2020 (EST)
-I don't think, generally speaking, that we need to mention other platform fighters or crossover fighters just because they have general conceptual or gameplay overlap with Smash. This page is moreso for "this is intrinsically a reference to Smash" as opposed to a riff on the genre or concept. Kind of the difference between "this game has a cameo of a Metroid" versus "this is a sci-fi game focused on exploration". [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:48, December 26, 2020 (EST)
-:That's what I was thinking, too. Putting them into a separate section is at least a stopgap of sorts, but if anything, might be worth splitting to their own page (like [[Fan game]]). ~ [[User:StrawberryChan|<span style="color: #e68;">'''StrawberryChan'''</span>]] ([[User talk:StrawberryChan|talk]]) 21:08, December 26, 2020 (EST)
-== Nick’s Super Brawl ==
-I think Nick loves Smash clones too much, they may have a feti-
-. Super Brawl
-. Super Brawl 2
-. Super Brawl 3: Good Vs Evil
-. Super Brawl 4: Action Game
-. Super Brawl World
-. Super Brawl Universe
-. Smashfest
-Should we just put Super Brawl as a series (& Smashfest as it’s own) [[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]]) 21:44, August 26, 2021 (EDT)
-== Sonic's pose- a reference or not? ==
-Recently added references to Sonic's ''Brawl'' artwork, but they were cut due to supposedly being similar to a piece from ''Heroes''.
-This is the closets resembling one: https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/File:SonicHedge.png I'd argue against this since this one looks like it's a thumbs up combined with a crossing arms. The angle is very different as well. While Sonic has been thumbs up for a long time in artwork, ever since ''Brawl'' artwork has had the same camera angle, angle of quills, placement of shoes. What do you guys think?[[User:Ma321|Ma321]] ([[User talk:Ma321|talk]]) 17:39, November 8, 2021 (EST)
-== Nostalgia Critic ==
-Is it allowed here? [[Special:Contributions/174.55.24.64|174.55.24.64]] 01:37, May 28, 2022 (EDT)
-:He is a review channel, do you know how many of those exist? If we include him, then that opens the flood gates for tons more. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 08:12, May 28, 2022 (EDT)
-== Pokémon master trainer ==
-On Pokémon let’s go Pikachu and Eevee, there is a Machop master trainer named Masahiro. Do you think that is a [[Masahiro Sakurai]] reference? [[Special:Contributions/174.55.24.64|174.55.24.64]] 19:52, June 12, 2022 (EDT)
-:Even if it is, you do know Mr. Sakurai has done [[wikipedia:Masahiro_Sakurai#Works|more than ''Smash'']], right? It wouldn't be relevant to add that mention here. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 19:55, June 12, 2022 (EDT)
-==Does this count?==
-Does this count as a reference?. https://old.reddit.com/r/MovieDetails/comments/whrb34/in_everything_everywhere_all_at_once_2022_the [[File:ThegameandwatchIcon2.png|20px]] [[User:Thegameandwatch|<span style=" color: Green;">'''Thegameandwatch'''</span>]] [[File:Thegameandwatch signature icon.png|20px]] [[User talk:Thegameandwatch|''<span style="color: blue;">The Nerd </span>'']] 23:35, August 6, 2022 (EDT)
-== Pikachu’s Smash moves referenced in Episode 18 of Diamond and Pearl? ==
-I saw scenes in Episode 18 of the Diamond and Pearl anime and I found out that Pikachu performs similar moves when fighting Rampardos like Forward air and his Old Nair from Melee, but he doesn’t attack Rampardos when doing these similar moves.
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