Editing SmashWiki talk:Requests for adminship

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== When? ==

So...when's the big day? Is there a time table? --[[User:Oxico|Oxico]] ([[User talk:Oxico|talk]]) 00:45, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
:No, there is not a set time for any of the RfA's here. It is entirely up to Clarinet Hawk as to when they will close and how they will close.  --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 00:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

== Minor question ==

Just because I expect it will come up at some point, I think there should be some official statement of how long a user whose RfA failed has to wait before they are allowed to run again.  I would think perhaps two months or something of that sort, or maybe saying that they can run again when they feel they've accopmlished enough more to make a difference. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="slategray">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="slategray">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:19, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:Out of your reasons suggested, a specific time, like 2 months. Whether they've improved is highly opinionated, and will cause some arguments.'''<span style="border:2px outset #fc2;background-color:silver;-moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:Blue;">Smoreking</span>]] [[User talk:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:Gold">2009 is coming!</span>]]</span>''' 14:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think having a set time is an issue.  If the person fails once and puts him/herself back up too soon it will just fail again.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 19:32, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Waiting ==

Pikamander's has been up since November 5<sup>th</sup>, and Shadowcrest has been up since November 15<sup>th</sup>. I understand Clarinet Hawk has to make an important decision, but I think 2 months is enough. [[Image:SZL.png|45px]][[User:SZL|'''<span style="color:lime">UP</span>]]/[[User talk:SZL|<span style="color:firebrick">T</span>]]/[[User:SZL/Overhaul|<span style="color:navy">O</span>]]''' 01:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:I concur. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="mediumslateblue">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 03:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::I concur, except that it's only been 2 months. :P  --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 03:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::You didn't see anything...[[Image:SZL.png|45px]][[User:SZL|'''<span style="color:lime">UP</span>]]/[[User talk:SZL|<span style="color:firebrick">T</span>]]/[[User:SZL/Overhaul|<span style="color:navy">O</span>]]''' 13:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, been out of town.  Decisions or exact reasons and parameters for continuation will be up within 24 hours.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 20:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== Waiting period after being blocked ==

"If a user has been blocked for any reason (except an IP auto-block or a wrong button click), s/he must wait a period of at least four months from the expiry of his/her ban until s/he may even be considered for adminship. Even after this time period has passed, the user should be prepared to answer questions about his/her block."

In light of recent events, I think the policy should be altered to say that if the user is unblocked because a sysop decided that the block was unjustified, or if a user is blocked for an extremely short period of time as a joke, then that block shouldn't count against them in terms of eligibility for requesting adminship. That way, the letter of the policy more closely matches its intention, and if the situation were ever to arise again in the future, the policy would cover it. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 14:45, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:So we change the rules to accommodate for your specific situation?'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 15:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::Why don't we just make sure that the sysop who made the block (Shadowcrest) is ok with it?  '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 15:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::<small>edit conflict</small>
::I quote: "if the situation were ever to arise again in the future, the policy would cover it". The purpose of the change would be to prevent the situation from causing problems in the future, not "to accommodate for <nowiki>[my]</nowiki> specific situation". The fact that you believe me to be so cynical as to do that offends me.
::@Cheezperson: I asked Shadowcrest before submitting my RfA, and he said it would be fine. Miles also said that it didn't matter. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 15:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:::As the letter of the policy goes now, an admin can block someone as a joke or by "accident" just to prevent them from having a successful RfA. That seems pretty unacceptable. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> <small>[[Special:Contributions/Toomai|cntrbs]]</small> 16:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Actually, if the admin says that it was by accident, that's covered by "wrong button click". As the letter of the policy goes now, an admin could block someone supposedly as a joke just to prevent them from having a successful RfA, except that, as with all policies, a degree of common sense should be applied. As Miles said, the spirit of the policy is more important than the letter. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 16:31, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Tl;dr really, the point of the line is clear- Miles was right, follow the spirit not the letter, etc etc  <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 19:08, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

== Having an account ==

Shouldn't having an account be a criterion? <sup>Smiddle&nbsp;</sup>[[User:Smiddle|君怒る]][[user talk:Smiddle|?]] 15:07, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
:Perhaps, but there hasn't been any incidents of IPs requesting for Adminship, so such a rule is unnecessary. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 15:10, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
::I don't see how it's unnecessary just because it hasn't happened yet. Simply adding a note about that is hardly any work at all. <sup>Smiddle&nbsp;</sup>[[User:Smiddle|君怒る]][[user talk:Smiddle|?]] 15:12, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
:::It really isn't necessary, as it's impossible for an IP to be given adminship. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:34, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
::::Almost thought so. <sup>Smiddle&nbsp;</sup>[[User:Smiddle|君怒る]][[user talk:Smiddle|?]] 15:36, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

== Amendment proposal ==

"If a user has been blocked for any reason (except an IP auto-block or a wrong button click), s/he must wait a period of at least four months from the expiry of his/her ban until s/he may even be considered for adminship. Even after this time period has passed, the user should be prepared to answer questions about his/her block. "

While I can see the theory behind making a line like this, I feel that it is silly, arbitrary, and ought to be removed. Though I will admit it is unlikely, if (for example) a user were to be blocked for something and then grow from the block, I see no reason why they should not be promoted if the bureaucrats believe it would be in the best interest of the wiki. Limiting the most trusted/intelligent members of the community in such a way achieves nothing. &ndash; [[User:Emmett|<span style="color:#000000">Emmett</span>]] 16:19, 22 January 2012 (EST)

'''Support''' Per what Emmett said, plus the fact I see no practical purpose for it. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:23, 22 January 2012 (EST)
:'''Support''' <span style="font-family:Agency FB; font-size:12pt">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="black">'''Blind'''</font>]]</span><span style="font-family: Berlin Sans FB; font-size:12pt">[[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="red">C</font><font color="purple">ol</font>]][[ Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="green">ou</font><font color="seablue">rs</font>]]</span> [[File:Boing.png|50px]] 16:45, 22 January 2012 (EST)
::'''Support''' If a user is blocked for something bad, and the block reflects poorly on the user, then this will be brought up in the RFA itself. However, we should not simply prevent a user from making an RFA ''because'' they were banned. For example, if I got a 1 hour ban for edit warring 3 months ago, and since then have greatly improved in my dispute handling skills, there's no reason why I should be prevented from requesting adminship. And then theres the whole thing of joke/unfair bans. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  16:49, 22 January 2012 (EST)
:::'''Support''' Per Emmett and Mr. Anon. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 16:51, 22 January 2012 (EST)
::::'''Support''' Exactly what Anon said. Take this from a guy who's had to go through it (seriously). --[[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]][[File:RoyHeadSSBM.png|20px]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 16:53, 22 January 2012 (EST)

<small>(edit conflict x4)</small> '''Mostly support''' While I agree 4 months is rather strong at best, I feel that a block-related limit of some sort should still be in place. We don't want people coming off a block from a month ago, having not improved at all but not doing anything block-worthy, and starting an RfA. With a block-based rule, it could be closed by anyone as against the rules; without one, it would have to stick around a bit longer before it's decided it should be closed quickly. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Da Bomb 16:56, 22 January 2012 (EST)
:Maybe if RfAs were made frequently where having a rule to invalidate such RfAs would actually help the workload of bureaucrats, I could see such a rule being helpful. However, RfAs are so rare nowadays (after Anon's failed RfA in July 2010, it took over a year before another user, SmashPeter, attempted to make one, and there have been two RfAs total in the past year, by users who had no chance), such a rule doesn't have practical use.

:Also, as done by the Wiki in the past, in the case of no chance users who have unanimous opposition, nonbureaucrats have been allowed to close them anyway (most recently with McAusten's RfA, which I myself closed). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 20:28, 22 January 2012 (EST)

I'll replace it with something like "You can try it, but you better be ready to get scrutinized". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Producer 12:56, 2 February 2012 (EST)
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 I'll replace it with something like "You can try it, but you better be ready to get scrutinized". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Producer 12:56, 2 February 2012 (EST)
-==Changing the Summary Thing==
-There's actually no rule about whether or not you can change the spiel at the beginning of your RfA. Obviously, you shouldn't be given completely freedom over changing it, but if you've had to do something like present some evidence of settling a user debate to 10 different people down in the vote section, it'd be pretty useful to, you know, be allowed to edit it in a really clear way (example's gonna be shown below).
-'''Edit''': Actually modify the rules or something. There's nothing against it. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 03:28, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
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