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=== [[User:Shadowcrest|Shadowcrest]] ([[User talk:Shadowcrest|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shadowcrest|contribs]] • [[Special:Editcount/Shadowcrest|edit count]] • [[SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/Shadowcrest|RFA]] • [[SmashWiki:Requests for bureaucratship/Shadowcrest|RFB page]]) ===
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''Result of discussion: '''promoted to bureaucrat'''''


=== [[User:Shadowcrest|Shadowcrest]] ([[User talk:Shadowcrest|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shadowcrest|contribs]] • [[Special:Editcount/Shadowcrest|edit count]] • [[SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/Shadowcrest|RFA]] • [[SmashWiki:Requests for bureaucratship/Shadowcrest|RFB page]]) ===
''Please direct all discussions to the [[SmashWiki talk:Requests for bureaucratship/Shadowcrest|talk page]].''
''Please direct all discussions to the [[SmashWiki talk:Requests for bureaucratship/Shadowcrest|talk page]].''


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*'''Support'''Well, Mr. Tin Plated Dictator with Delusions of Godhood, you've proven yourself capable at pretty much everything thaat a bureaucrat should be able to do.[[User:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:gold;">L33t</span>]] [[User talk:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:silver;">Silvie</span>]] <sup><span style="color:Green;">[[Special:Contributions/L33tSilvie|Your epidermis is showing.</span></sup>]] 20:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)  
*'''Support'''Well, Mr. Tin Plated Dictator with Delusions of Godhood, you've proven yourself capable at pretty much everything thaat a bureaucrat should be able to do.[[User:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:gold;">L33t</span>]] [[User talk:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:silver;">Silvie</span>]] <sup><span style="color:Green;">[[Special:Contributions/L33tSilvie|Your epidermis is showing.</span></sup>]] 20:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)  
*'''Yea bro''' - Changed. Having only one bureaucrat that happens to be friends with a mod-bully is bad. Shadowcrest will do what he does best with power; neutralize. Dr. McSrs 4 bcratz. <span style="border:2px outset #ff66ff;background-color: #66ff99;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#9900ff;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#9900ff">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 22:05, 7 May 2009 (U.TC)
*'''Yea bro''' - Changed. Having only one bureaucrat that happens to be friends with a mod-bully is bad. Shadowcrest will do what he does best with power; neutralize. Dr. McSrs 4 bcratz. <span style="border:2px outset #ff66ff;background-color: #66ff99;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#9900ff;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#9900ff">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 22:05, 7 May 2009 (U.TC)
*<small>(Putting support at the beginning of a vote fails since it's in the support section)</small> Honestly he has been just in his use of his admin tools, and does have good judgment, which is the crucial for being a bureaucrat.[[File:SZL.png|45px]][[User:SZL|'''<span style="color:lime">UP</span>]]/[[User talk:SZL|<span style="color:firebrick">T</span>]]/[[User:SZL/Overhaul|<span style="color:navy">O</span>]]''' 13:55, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
*<small>(Putting support at the beginning of a vote fails since it's in the support section)</small> Honestly he has been just in his use of his admin tools, and does have good judgment, which is the crucial for being a bureaucrat.[[Image:SZL.png|45px]][[User:SZL|'''<span style="color:lime">UP</span>]]/[[User talk:SZL|<span style="color:firebrick">T</span>]]/[[User:SZL/Overhaul|<span style="color:navy">O</span>]]''' 13:55, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
*I don't see why not. <span style="border:2px bottomset black;background-color: black;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:The Horror|<font color="Red">The Horror</font>]]''''<sup>[[User_talk:The Horror|<font color="white">Speak if you dare</font>]]</sup></span> 15:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
*I don't see why not. <span style="border:2px bottomset black;background-color: black;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:The Horror|<font color="Red">The Horror</font>]]''''<sup>[[User_talk:The Horror|<font color="white">Speak if you dare</font>]]</sup></span> 15:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - While I understand that it isn't absolutely mandatory for a wiki to have more than one bureaucrat, I do firmly believe that having more than one on a wiki will greatly benefit it for two main reasons.
*'''Support''' - While I understand that it isn't absolutely mandatory for a wiki to have more than one bureaucrat, I do firmly believe that having more than one on a wiki will greatly benefit it for two main reasons.
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:*'''Two''' - Lately, Clarinet Hawk's activity has been declining.  As a result, the more recent RfR's, RfA's, and this RfB have lasted a much longer time than usual.  In the event that Clarinet Hawk were to become inactive without promoting any other users to bureaucrat status, the wiki would start having issues with RfR's, RfA's, and RfB's.  Having more than one bureaucrat increases the chances that there will always be an active bureaucrat handling them.
:*'''Two''' - Lately, Clarinet Hawk's activity has been declining.  As a result, the more recent RfR's, RfA's, and this RfB have lasted a much longer time than usual.  In the event that Clarinet Hawk were to become inactive without promoting any other users to bureaucrat status, the wiki would start having issues with RfR's, RfA's, and RfB's.  Having more than one bureaucrat increases the chances that there will always be an active bureaucrat handling them.
:I trust Shadowcrest with the tools mainly because he has good judgement, and as SZL said it is crucial for being a bureaucrat.  [[User:Y462|Y462]] <small>([[User talk:Y462|T]] • [[Special:Contributions/Y462|C]]  • [[Special:Editcount/Y462|E]] )</small> 20:01, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:I trust Shadowcrest with the tools mainly because he has good judgement, and as SZL said it is crucial for being a bureaucrat.  [[User:Y462|Y462]] <small>([[User talk:Y462|T]] • [[Special:Contributions/Y462|C]]  • [[Special:Editcount/Y462|E]] )</small> 20:01, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
*'''<nowiki>{{subst:Section Header}}</nowiki>''' Catch 22: We need a new bureaucrat because the current one's inactive, but we can't get a new bureaucrat... because the current one's inactive - it's been almost three months, this is getting ridiculous. (I don't blame CHawk for being inactive, it's not his fault, and there's nothing he could do about it.) Shadowcrest has proven himself fully capable of handling the responsibilities that come with being a sysop, and I think that he would be even more useful to this wiki in the role of bureaucrat. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 03:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I'm really only doing this to give attention to this again.  This place needs another B-crat, and this guy's the most qualified, simple enough.  Will someone pass this one already?  '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 21:37, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


==== Oppose ====
==== Oppose ====
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:::For starters, the highest position on the wiki would be a staff member, so zzz.
:::For starters, the highest position on the wiki would be a staff member, so zzz.
:::All of those things you're saying about a bureaucrat arise because of who the bureaucrats are. Bureaucrats are people who promote/demote users. The end, hope you enjoyed the show. They are not the ultimate authority. They [[SW:YAV|are not the highest users on the food chain.]] They are not mediators. They are not the representatives of the community. They do not get what they want just because they say so. The most correct statement you made in that paragraph was "Being a bureaucrat isn't the expansion of a sysop", because it's not- and everything you're talking about is the job of the sysops. Sysops are the judges, the jury, and the executioners in all but maybe .01% of conflicts. Sysops do everything you're describing- mediating conflicts, arbitrating, blocks, and all the other diplomatic stuff you're talking about. And I've done it as a user and a sysop, so right off the bat there's proof that it doesn't have to do with being a bureaucrat. So if you want to go request a reconfirmation on the RfA be my guest- but that still doesn't help your case here. <!--Also, I hope you're enjoying your hypocrisy as much as I am.--> --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 19:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:::All of those things you're saying about a bureaucrat arise because of who the bureaucrats are. Bureaucrats are people who promote/demote users. The end, hope you enjoyed the show. They are not the ultimate authority. They [[SW:YAV|are not the highest users on the food chain.]] They are not mediators. They are not the representatives of the community. They do not get what they want just because they say so. The most correct statement you made in that paragraph was "Being a bureaucrat isn't the expansion of a sysop", because it's not- and everything you're talking about is the job of the sysops. Sysops are the judges, the jury, and the executioners in all but maybe .01% of conflicts. Sysops do everything you're describing- mediating conflicts, arbitrating, blocks, and all the other diplomatic stuff you're talking about. And I've done it as a user and a sysop, so right off the bat there's proof that it doesn't have to do with being a bureaucrat. So if you want to go request a reconfirmation on the RfA be my guest- but that still doesn't help your case here. <!--Also, I hope you're enjoying your hypocrisy as much as I am.--> --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 19:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
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::::Let me point a few things out.  First of all, the simple tools granted are not all that this is about.  There is a certain amount of prestige associated with the title of bureaucrat, regardless of if that prestige is artificial or if you disagree with it existing.  Possibly on other wikis it doesn't matter, but here it does and perception is quite important.  Two, considering that the tools (and as you argue the entire point of being a bureau) allow promoting/demoting of sysops, if someone has a problem with your actions as a sysop it stands to reason that s/he would not want you to be making other people sysops as well.  Three, you established precedent that actions as sysops are fair use in RfBs when you opposed Randall on the grounds that you disapproved of his actions as a sysop.  You don't get it both ways.  Four, one of the descriptions of bureaus is that s/he mediates user conflicts that transcend normal levels, so you are dead wrong in assuming that all you do is promote/demote.  Basically, I haven't made up my mind about where I stand on this (hence the placing in the neutral area), but I do feel a need to respond to some of the things that have been said above.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 19:27, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Let me point a few things out.  First of all, the simple tools granted are not all that this is about.  There is a certain amount of prestige associated with the title of bureaucrat, regardless of if that prestige is artificial or if you disagree with it existing.  Possibly on other wikis it doesn't matter, but here it does and perception is quite important.  Two, considering that the tools (and as you argue the entire point of being a bureau) allow promoting/demoting of sysops, if someone has a problem with your actions as a sysop it stands to reason that s/he would not want you to be making other people sysops as well.  Three, you established precedent that actions as sysops are fair use in RfBs when you opposed Randall on the grounds that you disapproved of his actions as a sysop.  You don't get it both ways.  Four, one of the descriptions of bureaus is that s/he mediates user conflicts that transcend normal levels, so you are dead wrong in assuming that all you do is promote/demote.  Basically, I haven't made up my mind about where I stand on this (hence the placing in the neutral area), but I do feel a need to respond to some of the things that have been said above.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 19:27, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::In that, you are correct. There is an "air of superiority" that is associated with bureaucrats. It's crap, and I really and honestly wish people would stop putting sysops/bcrats on pedestals because of their positions, but yes, it's there. But that's still not why I'm running- I don't wish to abuse perceptions, as useful as that would be to me. Perhaps I could even work to reduce the informal bonus that we get along with our rights? ;)
:::::In that, you are correct. There is an "air of superiority" that is associated with bureaucrats. It's crap, and I really and honestly wish people would stop putting sysops/bcrats on pedestals because of their positions, but yes, it's there. But that's still not why I'm running- I don't wish to abuse perceptions, as useful as that would be to me. Perhaps I could even work to reduce the informal bonus that we get along with our rights? ;)
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To Semicolon: If you oppose him now, shouldn't you put a vote in the oppose section?[[User:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:gold;">L33t</span>]] [[User talk:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:silver;">Silvie</span>]] <sup><span style="color:Green;">[[Special:Contributions/L33tSilvie|Your epidermis is showing.</span></sup>]] 22:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
To Semicolon: If you oppose him now, shouldn't you put a vote in the oppose section?[[User:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:gold;">L33t</span>]] [[User talk:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:silver;">Silvie</span>]] <sup><span style="color:Green;">[[Special:Contributions/L33tSilvie|Your epidermis is showing.</span></sup>]] 22:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
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