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'''Olimar''' ({{ja|ピクミン&オリマー|Pikumin & Orimā}}, ''Pikmin & Olimar'') is a playable character in ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''. His reappearance to the series was announced in a [[List of Director's Room Miiverse posts|Director's Room Miiverse post]] on July 12, 2013, which also commemorated ''{{s|pikipedia|Pikmin 3}}'' being released in Japan on the following day. '''[[Alph]]''' ({{ja|ピクミン&アルフ|Pikumin & Arufu}}, ''Pikmin & Alph''), one of the three {{s|pikipedia|leader}}s in ''Pikmin 3'', was revealed as an [[Alternate costume|alternative character]] in a Director's Room Miiverse post on September 11, 2014.
'''Olimar''' ({{ja|ピクミン&オリマー|Pikumin & Orimā}}, ''Pikmin & Olimar'') is a playable character in ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''. His reappearance to the series was announced in a [[List of Director's Room Miiverse posts|Director's Room Miiverse post]] on July 12th, 2013, which also commemorated ''{{s|pikipedia|Pikmin 3}}'' being released in Japan on the following day. '''[[Alph]]''' ({{ja|ピクミン&アルフ|Pikumin & Arufu}}, ''Pikmin & Alph''), one of the three {{s|pikipedia|leader}}s in ''Pikmin 3'', was revealed as an [[Alternate costume|alternative character]] in a Director's Room Miiverse post on September 11, 2014.


Like in ''Brawl'', Olimar is completely silent, rather than being voiced by Kazumi Totaka like he is in the ''Pikmin'' series, while Hajime Wakai's portrayal of Pikmin from ''{{s|pikipedia|Pikmin 2}}'' is once again repurposed for Red, Blue, Yellow, White and Purple Pikmin. Winged Pikmin are voiced by Atsuko Asashi, using voice clips recycled from ''Pikmin 3''. Alph, despite having his own unique voice in ''Pikmin 3'', is also completely silent as well in ''SSB4'', much like Olimar is.
Olimar is ranked 21st out of 58 on the [[tier list]], placing him at the top of the C tier. This is a significant drop from his top-tier placement in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'', where he was ranked 3rd out of 38, and is his worst placement in the series. As in ''Brawl'', Olimar's signature [[Pikmin (species)|Pikmin]] possess an impressive level of respective utility: they grant him respectable KO and damage-racking capabilities, which is further supplemented by Olimar's solid frame-data, as Olimar can make usage of them to deal direct and/or indirect damage via his standard movesets, and by possessing the Pikmin latch onto opponents via [[Pikmin Throw]], respectively.
 
Olimar is ranked 21st out of 58 on the [[tier list]], placing him at the top of the C tier. This is a significant drop from his top-tier placement in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'', where he was ranked 3rd out of 38. As in ''Brawl'', Olimar's signature [[Pikmin (species)|Pikmin]] possess an impressive level of respective utility: they grant him respectable KO and damage-racking capabilities, which is further supplemented by Olimar's solid frame-data, as Olimar can make usage of them to deal direct and/or indirect damage via his standard movesets, and by possessing the Pikmin latch onto opponents via [[Pikmin Throw]], respectively.


The Pikmin also grant Olimar a potent [[grab]] game: each of them function as [[Grab#Tether grabs|disjointed grabs]]; White Pikmin-based pummel is tied with {{SSB4|Shulk}}'s [[Monado Arts|Buster]]-boosted pummel as the most damaging in the game; Blue Pikmin-based up throw is a viable KOing option at high percents; and Red Pikmin-based down throw is a very reliable combo starter even at high percents. Lastly, his new [[up special move]], [[Winged Pikmin]], functions as a maneuverable, flight-based [[recovery]] that can be performed regardless of whether or not Olimar has Pikmin equipped,<ref name="Direct">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xUWnQu2Grs Super Smash Bros. Direct 4.8.2014]</ref> which makes them vastly superior to [[Pikmin Chain]]'s [[tether recovery]].
The Pikmin also grant Olimar a potent [[grab]] game: each of them function as [[Grab#Tether grabs|disjointed grabs]]; White Pikmin-based pummel is tied with {{SSB4|Shulk}}'s [[Monado Arts|Buster]]-boosted pummel as the most damaging in the game; Blue Pikmin-based up throw is a viable KOing option at high percents; and Red Pikmin-based down throw is a very reliable combo starter even at high percents. Lastly, his new [[up special move]], [[Winged Pikmin]], functions as a maneuverable, flight-based [[recovery]] that can be performed regardless of whether or not Olimar has Pikmin equipped,<ref name="Direct">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xUWnQu2Grs Super Smash Bros. Direct 4.8.2014]</ref> which makes them vastly superior to [[Pikmin Chain]]'s [[tether recovery]].
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==Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''==
==Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''==
In ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl'', Olimar was considered to be a top-tier character, typically being perceived as a top 5-to-top 3 character. This was primarily due to the effectiveness of his [[Pikmin]]: Olimar possessed six Pikmin available in his disposal, and they overall gave him incredible [[camping]] potential. Olimar could easily abuse his [[Pikmin Throw]] to restrain his opponents out due to the amount of Pikmin he could have out and even at close-ranged proximity, Olimar still possessed strong tools. His damage-output was exceptionally high, especially with certain Pikmin, his [[smash attack]]s were exceptionally effective, his aerials were powerful, he had a strong grab game with an exceptionally quick and long-ranged [[grab]] in addition to possessing [[combo]] and [[KO]] [[throw]]s depending on the Pikmin equipped, and he even had a solid defensive option with [[Pikmin Order]]. Olimar also had rather respectable KO power, with his Purple and Red Pikmin (in some situations) being particularly powerful. While he did suffer from poor mobility, limited [[approach]]ing options, a slew of multi-hitting attacks which could be avoided with [[SDI]], and he had an extremely exploitable [[recovery]], these weaknesses failed to impair Olimar too much. Altogether, these factors made Olimar an incredibly dominant character on-stage, making it exceptionally difficult for most of the cast to deal with Olimar. As a result, Olimar has naturally seen a mixture of [[buff]]s and [[nerf]]s in the transition to ''Super Smash Bros. 4'', although due to his top-tier status in the previous game, he has been noticeably nerfed overall.
In ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl'', Olimar was considered to be a top-tier character, typically being perceived as a top 5-to-top 3 character. This was primarily due to the effectiveness of his [[Pikmin]]: Olimar possessed six Pikmin available in his disposal, and they overall gave him incredible [[camping]] potential. Olimar could easily abuse his [[Pikmin Throw]] to restrain his opponents out due to the amount of Pikmin he could have out and even at close-ranged proximity, Olimar still possessed strong tools. His damage-output was exceptionally high, especially with certain Pikmin, his [[smash attack]]s were exceptionally effective, his aerials were powerful, he had a strong grab game with an exceptionally quick and long-ranged [[grab]] in addition to possessing [[combo]] and [[KO]] [[throw]]s depending on the Pikmin equipped, and he even had a solid defensive option with [[Pikmin Order]]. Olimar also had rather respectable KO power, with his Purple and Red Pikmin (in some situations) being particularly powerful. While he did suffer from poor mobility, limited [[approach]]ing options, a slew of multi-hitting attacks which could be avoided with [[SDI]], and he had an extremely exploitable [[recovery]], these weaknesses failed to impair Olimar too much. Altogether, these factors made Olimar an incredibly dominant character on-stage, making it exceptionally difficult for most of the cast to deal with Olimar. As a result, Olimar has naturally seen a mixture of [[buff]]s and [[nerf]]s in the transition to ''Super Smash Bros. 4'', although due to his top-tier status in the previous game, he has been drastically nerfed overall.


The most glaring downgrade includes the halving of his Pikmin, counting from six to three due to the limitations of the [[Nintendo 3DS]]' processing power. As a result, this drastically lowers his general damage output, as well as his [[camp]]ing potential, especially since [[Pikmin Throw]] deals less damage (especially with [[White Pikmin]]). Both Olimar and his Pikmin's endurance are also worse: as Olimar himself is [[weight|lighter]] and his signature Pikmin (excluding White Pikmin) have less [[hit points|HP]], and they die faster if they are separated from Olimar. The removal of [[meteor cancel]]ing also significantly hinders Olimar's endurance against [[meteor smash]]es, and the changes to [[hitstun canceling]] is considered a double-edged sword for Olimar: they indirectly removed [[momentum canceling]], so this means Olimar is much more susceptible to early KOs and combos, with the latter being further pronounced by Olimar's aforementioned lighter weight and the introduction of [[rage]], yet it also drastically improves Olimar's [[combo]] game as well, especially with his throws.  
The most glaring downgrade includes the halving of his Pikmin, counting from six to three due to the limitations of the [[Nintendo 3DS]]' processing power. As a result, this drastically lowers his general damage output, as well as his [[camp]]ing potential, especially since [[Pikmin Throw]] deals less damage (especially with [[White Pikmin]]). Both Olimar and his Pikmin's endurance are also worse: as Olimar himself is [[weight|lighter]] and his signature Pikmin (excluding White Pikmin) have less [[hit points|HP]], and they die faster if they are separated from Olimar. The removal of [[meteor cancel]]ing also significantly hinders Olimar's endurance against [[meteor smash]]es, and the changes to [[hitstun canceling]] is considered a double-edged sword for Olimar: they indirectly removed [[momentum canceling]], so this means Olimar is much more susceptible to early KOs and combos, with the latter being further pronounced by Olimar's aforementioned lighter weight and the introduction of [[rage]], yet it also drastically improves Olimar's [[combo]] game as well, especially with his throws.  
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===Special moves===
===Special moves===
*[[Pikmin Pluck]]:
*[[Pikmin Pluck]]
**{{buff|Using Pikmin Pluck while near the edge will no longer propel Pikmin over the edge, significantly improving its reliability when used near edges.}}
**{{buff|Using Pikmin Pluck while near the edge will no longer propel Pikmin over the edge, significantly improving its reliability when used near edges.}}
**{{buff|Pikmin Pluck's speed is now consistent regardless of the terrain, making Olimar pluck Pikmin faster on rocky, dirty, metallic and icy terrains.}}
**{{buff|Pikmin Pluck's speed is now consistent regardless of the terrain, making Olimar pluck Pikmin faster on rocky, dirty, metallic and icy terrains.}}
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**{{change|Pikmin Pluck has updated sound effects.}}
**{{change|Pikmin Pluck has updated sound effects.}}
**{{nerf|Pikmin Pluck can no longer be edge canceled to laglessly pluck Pikmin.}}
**{{nerf|Pikmin Pluck can no longer be edge canceled to laglessly pluck Pikmin.}}
*[[Pikmin Throw]]:
*[[Pikmin Throw]]
**{{buff|Pikmin Throw can now enable Pikmin to latch onto a [[Smash Ball]] and {{GameIcon|ssb4-u}}[[pikipedia:Carrying|carry]] [[item]]s to Olimar.<ref>[http://www.gfycat.com/RemorsefulBarrenCreature Pikmin carrying items to Olimar]</ref>}}
**{{buff|Pikmin Throw can now enable Pikmin to latch onto a [[Smash Ball]] and {{GameIcon|ssb4-u}}[[pikipedia:Carrying|carry]] [[item]]s to Olimar.<ref>[http://www.gfycat.com/RemorsefulBarrenCreature Pikmin carrying items to Olimar]</ref>}}
**{{buff|Pikmin Throw's additional latch time has increased (200 frames → 300).}}
**{{buff|Pikmin Throw's additional latch time has increased (200 frames → 300).}}
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**{{nerf|Pikmin Throw deals less damage when latched (2% (red/yellow/blue)/6% (white) → 1.1%/3.7%). This significantly reduces its damage racking potential, especially with white Pikmin.}}
**{{nerf|Pikmin Throw deals less damage when latched (2% (red/yellow/blue)/6% (white) → 1.1%/3.7%). This significantly reduces its damage racking potential, especially with white Pikmin.}}
***{{nerf|When combined with Olimar's reduced maximum Pikmin count, this significantly hinders Pikmin Throw's damage-racking and camping potential, in addition to making the move more committal to use overall.}}
***{{nerf|When combined with Olimar's reduced maximum Pikmin count, this significantly hinders Pikmin Throw's damage-racking and camping potential, in addition to making the move more committal to use overall.}}
*[[Winged Pikmin]]:
*[[Winged Pikmin]]
**{{buff|Olimar has a new up special, Winged Pikmin. Unlike [[Pikmin Chain]] which was a tether recovery, Winged Pikmin is a maneuverable, fuel-based recovery. Winged Pikmin can cover significantly more distance, it can be controlled and Olimar can cancel it by using an aerial (similarly to [[Robo Burner]], with the exception of Olimar being put into free-fall after using an aerial).}}
**{{buff|Olimar has a new up special, Winged Pikmin. Unlike [[Pikmin Chain]] which was a tether recovery, Winged Pikmin is a maneuverable, fuel-based recovery. Winged Pikmin can cover significantly more distance, it can be controlled and Olimar can cancel it by using an aerial (similarly to [[Robo Burner]], with the exception of Olimar being put into free-fall after using an aerial).}}
***{{buff|Altogether, these traits combined with the removal of edge-hogging make Winged Pikmin a significantly safer, more versatile and less predictable and exploitable recovery move compared to Pikmin Chain.}}
***{{buff|Altogether, these traits combined with the removal of edge-hogging make Winged Pikmin a significantly safer, more versatile and less predictable and exploitable recovery move compared to Pikmin Chain.}}
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**{{nerf|Unlike Pikmin Chain, Winged Pikmin lacks a hitbox, preventing it from being useable as a long-ranged anti-air or as a powerful [[stage spike]] option.}}
**{{nerf|Unlike Pikmin Chain, Winged Pikmin lacks a hitbox, preventing it from being useable as a long-ranged anti-air or as a powerful [[stage spike]] option.}}
**{{nerf|Winged Pikmin no longer [[auto-cancel]]s before Olimar enters free-fall, making it riskier to land with.}}
**{{nerf|Winged Pikmin no longer [[auto-cancel]]s before Olimar enters free-fall, making it riskier to land with.}}
*[[Pikmin Order]]:
*[[Pikmin Order]]
**{{nerf|Pikmin Order's [[super armor]] has much more startup lag with a much shorter duration (frames 2-16 → 6-12), significantly hindering its safety.}}
**{{nerf|Pikmin Order's [[super armor]] has much more startup lag with a much shorter duration (frames 2-16 → 6-12), significantly hindering its safety.}}
**{{change|Pikmin Order's animation has slightly changed. Olimar's hand no longer goes through his helmet when he {{s|pikipedia|whistle}}s.}}
**{{change|Pikmin Order's animation has slightly changed. Olimar's hand no longer goes through his helmet when he {{s|pikipedia|whistle}}s.}}
***{{nerf|This new animation is longer, especially the aerial version (35 frames → 39 (grounded)/45 (aerial), increasing the amount of time Olimar cannot grab ledges after using the move.}}
***{{nerf|This new animation is longer, especially the aerial version (35 frames → 39 (grounded)/45 (aerial), increasing the amount of time Olimar cannot grab ledges after using the move.}}
*[[End of Day]]:
*[[End of Day]]
**{{buff|End of Day slows down time more (4x → 5x) and for a longer period of time (30 frames → 40) when it is activated.}}
**{{buff|End of Day slows down time more (4x → 5x) and for a longer period of time (30 frames → 40) when it is activated.}}
**{{buff|End of Day has much less startup lag (frame 19 → 6) due to both the more severe time slowdown and the hitbox coming out sooner.}}
**{{buff|End of Day has much less startup lag (frame 19 → 6) due to both the more severe time slowdown and the hitbox coming out sooner.}}
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|utiltdesc=A jumping twirl. It hits on frame 6, has decent vertical range, and hits multiple times, with its last hit having very high knockback growth. Altogether, these traits make it a decent anti-air attack.
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|dashdesc=A cartwheel. It can function as a mix-up, as it is able combo into up aerial at 0%-10%. However, its second hit's minimal damage output, high base knockback, and low knockback growth collectively make it unable to combo past minimal percents, or KO at reasonable percents.
|dashdesc=A cartwheel. It can function as a mix-up, as it is able combo into up aerial at 0%-10%. However, its second hit's very low damage output, high base knockback, and low knockback growth collectively make it unable to combo past very low percents, or KO at reasonable percents.
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