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seeing how many people want to make ideas for a new installment of super smash brothers, i decided to test there abilities to think of a horrid idea for a super smash brothers character. I'll Start my idea first, A horrid super smash character idea is .... the tetris L block. okay, now you think of one or a few. [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]]) (THE i BLOCK IS SO MUCH BETTER)
:Reminds me of the Tetris movie. I hear that L block will be played by Samuel L. Jackson! Anyways, a horrid character would be  Frogger. I bet if he got hit by a Wario Bike, it'd be a One-hit KO.[[User:Cafinator|Cafinator]] ([[User talk:Cafinator|talk]]) 06:50, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

ooooh this looks like fun. Well I think Pac Man would be the worst character idea. I mean honestly all he does is bite little dots and eat ghosts. --[[User:Oxico|Oxico]] ([[User talk:Oxico|talk]]) 12:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Another Idea would be...Falbi, the obnoxious background  character from twilight princess.[[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]]) 04:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I dunno, maybe Michael Jackson (from Michael Jackson Moonwalk).  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 07:11, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I know I am gonna get hit by bus for this, but I think Geno is the worst. Who IS he, anyway? What is his series? Is he from more than one game?--[[User:Oxico|Oxico]] ([[User talk:Oxico|talk]]) 10:21, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Geno is a wooden doll thing from a Mario game. He does not fit the discription of a playable character at all. --[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|Blue Ninjakoopa]] ([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|talk]]) 10:42, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:Geno is from the Super Mario RPG.  I'm pretty sure it's on wiiware now.  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 23:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:Only the best Mario game IN HISTORY. And the SINGLE problem (besides licensing) he has with appearing in a future smash, is they'd have to somehow give him a third jump. But he pretty much has built-in specials and Final Smash. That game seems like a real sleeper hit though: if you don't love it, you've never played it. Hell, I beat the cartridge AND own the rom, yet I still shelled out 6 (or was it 8) bucks for the virtual console release. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 06:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I think that Cranky Kong would be HORRIBLE. hes too old [[User:JtM|JtM =^&#93;]] ([[User talk:JtM|talk]]) 00:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

You got that right. --[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|Blue Ninjakoopa]] ([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|talk]]) 00:26, 11 September 2008 (UTC) 

Solid Sna-oh wait...............OK, I'm going to vouch for Geno as the worst character.[[User:SonicROBTrainer|SonicROBTrainer]] ([[User talk:SonicROBTrainer|talk]]) 00:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

==Nomination for Poll==
Hmm...I might make some of these ideas into a poll for the front page next Friday...Nominate the worst characters to be a fighter in Super Smash Brothers in this section. Nominated characters need a second nomination to be selected. This will close on Wednesday.'''[[User:Cafinator|<span style="color:Darkorange"><small><small>CAFINATOR</small></small></span>]]''' [[User talk:Cafinator|<span style="color:brown"><small><sup>Gentlemen...</sup></small></span>]] 06:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

 Selected Characters:
 '''Mii'''
 '''Animal Crossing Characters'''
 '''Balloon Fighter'''
 '''Cranky Kong''' 
 '''ROB64'''
 '''Malon'''
 '''Stafy'''
 '''"Baby" Mario Characters
 '''Andross'''
<nowiki> </nowiki>
 
 <!-- OM NOM NOM... -->'''Nominated Characters:'''
 Toadsworth
 Prince Peasley
 Otacon
 Slippy
 Deku Link
 Raimi
 Jimmy
 Donkey Kong Jr.



I'd like to simultaneously nominate both Miis and the Animal Crossing characters. They are weak, powerless, and don't deserve to fight (Wii Sports Boxing notwithstanding). The last thing Smash needs is another stupid useless "Create-a-fighter". And who keeps conflicting my edits!? - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 06:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Balloon fighter too. 1. he has NO attacks! Seriously! All he does is bump into other balloons. Also he can fly infinitely. And how can he fight while flying around anyway? It would be ridiculous. And not in a good way like Olimar.- [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 06:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:Did you know he was originally planned to be a fighter, though? I forgot which game, however...'''[[User:Cafinator|<span style="color:Darkorange"><small><small>CAFINATOR</small></small></span>]]''' [[User talk:Cafinator|<span style="color:brown"><small><sup>Gentlemen...</sup></small></span>]] 06:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh, man!  I actually wanted Miis to be in Brawl.  I nominate Cranky Kong.  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 18:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:Miis would be fun, but they would also be kind of silly (total lack of combat and such). Animal Crossing, though, is undoubtedly worse, because they don't even have boxing. All they have is a bouncy axe and bouncing a net off of people. I nominate baby Mario/Luigi/Peach, because that's just stupid. And yes, some people have suggested it.[[User:Entrea Sumatae|<span style="color:#4682b4">'''–Entrea Sumatae'''</span>]] 00:08, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, the only way I could see the babies working is if they teamed up with their older selves somehow. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 05:11, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Cranky Kong!? He'd be awesome! -[[User:Capefeather|capefeather]] ([[User talk:Capefeather|talk]]) 02:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:He's too old!  He didn't even do anything in the games, except give witty remarks.  What would he do anyway, attack people with his cane?  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 02:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
i nominate Cranky Kong [[User:JtM|JtM =^&#93;]] ([[User talk:JtM|talk]]) 03:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I nominate mii, because not everybody makes miis, and why should we make something that might not even be accessible so vital (like the subspace emissionary). [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]])

More ideas: Toadsworth, Prince Peasley, Otacon, Malon, ROB64, Slippy, and Deku Link. I almost included Bomberman except he'd be somewhat effective. <_< Nominating Cranky Kong as well. -[[User:RogueMastermind|RogueMastermind]]

adding  on to my nomination, rob 64 (to confusing of a name), malon, and stafy. [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]]) 06:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:Alright, there you go. '''[[User:Cafinator|<span style="color:Darkorange"><small><small>CAFINATOR</small></small></span>]]''' [[User talk:Cafinator|<span style="color:brown"><small><sup>Gentlemen...</sup></small></span>]] 06:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC) 

Stafy is a very popular and deserving character. Why is he on the list?[[User:SonicROBTrainer|SonicROBTrainer]] ([[User talk:SonicROBTrainer|talk]]) 05:36, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:Because people hate his assist trophy.  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 05:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::Uhh...Well, I was going to say, "Because someone asked for him to be on the list." He needs one more nomination, though. And I like him as an Assist Trophy. It's fun watching him fly off when you hit him. '''[[User:Cafinator|<span style="color:Darkorange"><small><small>CAFINATOR</small></small></span>]]''' [[User talk:Cafinator|<span style="color:brown"><small><sup>Gentlemen...</sup></small></span>]] 05:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I nominate him (Stafy).  I bet everyone here is throwing curses at me in their minds!  But they will never affect me!  Hahaha (OK, enough of that).  It's not fun when YOU get him, though. [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 05:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I nominated him because: one, as far as I know, he's japan only. two:  he's always flying. 3: all he could do is spin tackle and 4:  he could be mistaken as a power star. [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]])
:he is japan only (unless you count brawl).  He'd be wimpy.  His wimpiness may even rival that of Cranky Kong!  Who knows?  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 06:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::At least Cranky would have a weapon. '''[[User:Cafinator|<span style="color:Darkorange"><small><small>CAFINATOR</small></small></span>]]''' [[User talk:Cafinator|<span style="color:brown"><small><sup>Gentlemen...</sup></small></span>]] 21:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I second the "Baby" Mario characters. Also, I nominate Raimi, the protagonist of Geist. He doesn't have any moves of his own, and sadly, very few played that game. I also nominate Andross, on account of his being a disembodied head. [[User:Anthonyrichardson|Anthonyrichardson]] ([[User talk:Anthonyrichardson|talk]])
:I second Andross, as I agree that being a floating head that shoots out little polygons is not character material.  Wow, Cafinator, you've got a lot of characters, haven't you.  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 05:06, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
::Not that much. '''[[User:Cafinator|<span style="color:Darkorange"><small><small>CAFINATOR</small></small></span>]]''' [[User talk:Cafinator|<span style="color:brown"><small><sup>Gentlemen...</sup></small></span>]] 00:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I meant nominated characters.  You've got 9 of them.  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 00:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Uhh...six. '''[[User:Cafinator|<span style="color:Darkorange"><small><small>CAFINATOR</small></small></span>]]''' [[User talk:Cafinator|<span style="color:brown"><small><sup>Gentlemen...</sup></small></span>]] 00:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Sorry, I meant selected characters.  Nine (and counting) seems like it make for an interesting poll.  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 03:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, maybe. I might do this more often. '''[[User:Cafinator|<span style="color:Darkorange"><small><small>CAFINATOR</small></small></span>]]''' [[User talk:Cafinator|<span style="color:brown"><small><sup>Gentlemen...</sup></small></span>]] 03:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

'''SEE. THREADS THAT INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY HAVING FUN CAN BE POPULAR TOO.''' And they said this would be a failure. '''[[User:Cafinator|<span style="color:Darkorange"><small><small>CAFINATOR</small></small></span>]]''' [[User talk:Cafinator|<span style="color:brown"><small><sup>Gentlemen...</sup></small></span>]] 03:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Another nomination: Jimmy from the WarioWare series. Not a whole lot of fighting potential in disco dancing and cell phones. 
I'll also go ahead and nominate Donkey Kong Junior. Only one game ever featured him in a major role, plus there's not much potential for him other than being a Donkey Kong clone. [[User:Anthonyrichardson|Anthonyrichardson]] ([[User talk:Anthonyrichardson|talk]])
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 :Geno is from the Super Mario RPG.  I'm pretty sure it's on wiiware now.  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 23:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 :Only the best Mario game IN HISTORY. And the SINGLE problem (besides licensing) he has with appearing in a future smash, is they'd have to somehow give him a third jump. But he pretty much has built-in specials and Final Smash. That game seems like a real sleeper hit though: if you don't love it, you've never played it. Hell, I beat the cartridge AND own the rom, yet I still shelled out 6 (or was it 8) bucks for the virtual console release. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 06:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
-::No, NO!!!  Geno is way too good to not be a playable character.  We all know he is the best Mario character (Next to boo, of course)
-[[User:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Green">Para</font><font color="Blue">Goomba</font><font color="Red">348</font>]] ([[User talk:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Orange">C'mon, just talk to me</font>]]
 I think that Cranky Kong would be HORRIBLE. hes too old [[User:JtM|JtM =^&#93;]] ([[User talk:JtM|talk]]) 00:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
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 ==Nomination for Poll==
-'''CLOSED'''
+Hmm...I might make some of these ideas into a poll for the front page next Friday...Nominate the worst characters to be a fighter in Super Smash Brothers in this section. Nominated characters need a second nomination to be selected. This will close on Wednesday.'''[[User:Cafinator|<span style="color:Darkorange"><small><small>CAFINATOR</small></small></span>]]''' [[User talk:Cafinator|<span style="color:brown"><small><sup>Gentlemen...</sup></small></span>]] 06:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
   Selected Characters:
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   '''"Baby" Mario Characters
   '''Andross'''
- '''Donkey Kong Jr.'''
 <nowiki> </nowiki>
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   Deku Link
   Raimi
-  Jimmy T.
+  Jimmy
-  Chibi Robo
+  Donkey Kong Jr.
- Neko
- Plusle & Minun
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 Another nomination: Jimmy from the WarioWare series. Not a whole lot of fighting potential in disco dancing and cell phones.
 I'll also go ahead and nominate Donkey Kong Junior. Only one game ever featured him in a major role, plus there's not much potential for him other than being a Donkey Kong clone. [[User:Anthonyrichardson|Anthonyrichardson]] ([[User talk:Anthonyrichardson|talk]])
-:Jimmy T is da pwnst!  He would've been the most epic character (besides toon link)!  Didn't DK Jr. have math based game?  I don't know for sure.  Oh, I nominate Michael Jackson (see top part of page for why).  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 04:18, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
-::<i>"Didn't DK Jr. have math based game?"</i> Haha, my point exactly. His claims to fame are fruit and arithmetic. He's a fine character, to be sure, and DKJr. is an awesome classic, but I think he would make for a rather boring Smash character. [[User:Anthonyrichardson|Anthonyrichardson]] ([[User talk:Anthonyrichardson|talk]])
-:::Oh, thank you for putting them up for me. '''[[User:Cafinator|<span style="color:Darkorange"><small><small>CAFINATOR</small></small></span>]]''' [[User talk:Cafinator|<span style="color:brown"><small><sup>Gentlemen...</sup></small></span>]] 08:18, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
-::::I'd rename Jimmy to Jimmy T, as he is referred to in the games  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 13:59, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
-:::::I was initially going to, but then I remembered that in at least one of the WW games there are multiple Jimmys... I believe I'm thinking of Smooth Moves but I could be wrong. But yeah, you're right. the "T" would make him more identifiable as THAT Jimmy. Also, hope it's alright that I put them on the list myself. I guess I don't really know the rules for this sort of thing. [[User:Anthonyrichardson|Anthonyrichardson]] ([[User talk:Anthonyrichardson|talk]])
-::::::Actually, there was a Jimmy T. clone, who (I think) was called "Timmy J." '''[[User:Cafinator|<span style="color:Darkorange"><small><small>CAFINATOR</small></small></span>]]''' [[User talk:Cafinator|<span style="color:brown"><small><sup>Gentlemen...</sup></small></span>]] 22:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::Yeah, in Smooth Moves, there was a tan, blonde version of Jimmy T named Jimmy P.  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 01:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
-Ultimate chimera. He'll be so cheap, he would be bad. [[User:Pikazilla|Pikazilla]] ([[User talk:Pikazilla|talk]]) 00:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
-::::::::Yeah, yeah! That's his name. Timmy J. would've been better, though... '''[[User:Cafinator|<span style="color:Darkorange"><small><small>CAFINATOR</small></small></span>]]''' [[User talk:Cafinator|<span style="color:brown"><small><sup>Gentlemen...</sup></small></span>]] 03:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::::Nah, I like Jimmy P, less original : )  Why isn't Michael jackson on the nominated list yet?  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 05:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
-chibi-robo? [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]]) 03:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
-Oh,  and I second Donkey kong Jr.[[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]]) 03:40, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
-I know I'm gonna get killed for this, but the last thing I want is for Roy and Mewtwo to come back again.  They suck!  Oh, wait, it's for worst character IDEAS.  I vote Cafinator.
-[[User:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Green">Para</font><font color="Blue">Goomba</font><font color="Red">348</font>]] ([[User talk:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Orange">C'mon, just talk to me</font>]]) 14:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
-I vote Jenna from Golden Sun.  All she did was get kidnapped in the first game and heal spammed in the second >.>[[User:HorayImDecent|HorayImDecent]] ([[User talk:HorayImDecent|talk]]) 21:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
-I think deku link would be the worst. Srsly, there are too many links as it is. [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|Blue Ninjakoopa]] ([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|talk]]) 00:57, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
-The voting's closed. [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]])
-Jenna's awesome though. And her attacks weren't terrible either. But DEKU Link dies from being set on fire, by anything (fireball spam!) so he is clearly a top contender for worst character idea. [[User:RogueMastermind|RogueMastermind]]
-== Let's settle this like civilized people ==
-hm... here's an idea!
-<poll>
-Worst Character Idea
-L-Block
-Frogger
-Pac-Man
-Micheal Jackson
-Stafy
-Cranky Kong
-Jenna
-Jimmy T.
-Deku Link
-Geno (don't vote)
-Ultimate Chimera
-Otacon
-Rob 64
-Miis
-Animal Crosser
-Cafinator
-</poll>
-Who will not be the next Smasher?[[User:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Green">Para</font><font color="Blue">Goomba</font><font color="Red">348</font>]] ([[User talk:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Orange">C'mon, just talk to me</font>]]) 00:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
-Can I ask why the hell Cafinator is in the poll? OK, why is he in the poll? <font face="lucida sans unicode" size="2">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> <small><sup>[[User Talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:green">Talk to me</span>]]</sup></small> 01:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
-I thought he would be a bad idea and everyone else had ideas. [[User:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Green">Para</font><font color="Blue">Goomba</font><font color="Red">348</font>]] ([[User talk:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Orange">C'mon, just talk to me</font>]]) 01:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
-[[wikipedia:Amy Winehouse|Amy Winehouse]]! --[[User:Yowuza|<font face="Impact" color="5F9EA0">YOWUZA</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Yowuza|TALK 2 ME!]]</small> 16:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
-I meant video game character, paragoomba. relatedly, how is michael jackson a video game character, he's real. plus chibi, plusle & minun, and others are missing. [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]]) 05:49, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
-:Michael Jackson had a game (either NES or Atari) called "Michael Jackson Moonwalk," or something like that.  Apparently, it was very bad.  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 02:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
-::SOMEONE VOTE FOR CAFINATOR OTHER THAN ME [[User:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Green">Para</font><font color="Blue">Goomba</font><font color="Red">348</font>]] ([[User talk:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Orange">C'mon, just talk to me</font>]]) 14:10, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
-lower the advertising. Besides, won't most people vote and then read the comments. I sure did. seconfly, isn't andross supposed to be in here. [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]])
-Mah boi, Andross is incapable of on land combat. He's much too powerful. <font face="lucida sans unicode" size="2">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> <small><sup>[[User Talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:green">Talk to me</span>]]</sup></small> 04:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
-Maybe that ringleader person from Carnival Games. Not that I've played the game, obviously. --[[User:Yowuza|<font face="Impact" color="5F9EA0">YOWUZA</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Yowuza|TALK 2 ME!]]</small> 16:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
-Uh, why isn't my vote counting?  [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]] ([[User talk:Cheezperson|talk]]) 05:29, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
-Troll Face, cuz he would just troll everyone so much, they would SD so they wouldn't have to be trolled. [[User:King KirbyD|King KirbyD]] ([[User talk:King KirbyD|talk]]) 22:05, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
-Animal crossing characters would be great! Axe, net, shovel drop an item. final smash? a tree appears, you shake it and bees come out and swarm the enemy. he is also pretty set with taunts.
-Epic face. His sole existance is to make people laugh. Epic face? More like epic fail. [[user:EpicRedHot|<span style="color: yellow;">epic</span>]][[User Talk:EpicRedHot|<span style="color: red;">Red</span>]][[Special:Contributions/EpicRedHot|<span style="color: orange;">Hot</span>]][[File:Fireflower(sig).jpg|20px]] 14:53, 20 December 2012 (EST)
-:Don't necropost, this forum has been long dead. Before posting in any forum, look at the date of the last posts. If they're over a month old, don't post in it, unless it was a constructive forum and you had something new and significant to add. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:15, 20 December 2012 (EST)
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