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Mario (smash red) 
Mario is a character without any glaring weaknesses and plenty of strong attacks: he's even equipped with a Meteor Smash. He's a straightforward character who'll reflect the actual skills of the player.

Hmm... what could this trophy be claiming? That noobs will be the most noobish with Mario and that pros will be the most proffesional with Mario? If you think it does do you think it's claims are true?[[User:Tuth|<span style="color: black;">Tuth the tough Mii</span>]] [[User talk:Tuth|''<span style="color: cyan;">You got owned!</span>'']] [[Special:Contributions/Tuth|''<span style="color: brown;">Visit Mint Brick Wiki!</span>'']]

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No. It seems that Nintendo thinks that Mario is a perfectly balanced character. It also seems to think that the entire character roster is perfectly balanced. But Mario and the roster are not perfectly balanced. And Mario dosen't have much of a history of winning proffesional tournaments. What this trophy appears to be claiming is compltere nonsense. [[User:Tuth|<span style="color: black;">Tuth the tough Mii</span>]] [[User talk:Tuth|''<span style="color: cyan;">You got owned!</span>'']] [[Special:Contributions/Tuth|''<span style="color: brown;">Visit Mint Brick Wiki!</span>'']]
:There's a rather significant difference between Nintendo's balance (which applies to the entire game) and tournament balance (which only applies to a particular ruleset). In termed of Mario being "balanced", I don't think that's what the trophy is claiming - I think it's saying that, since Mario has no strange physics or unusual characteristics, and he has a pretty even mix of various kinds of moves, he's easy to do well with. That doesn't mean that he won't be surpassed once the others catch up. (Although Mario technically is balanced in terms of game physics; all weight and fallspeed calculations have him as the baseline.) [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 17:22, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

I didn't mean unbalanced by his speed and such but by his move set. He's probably the only character with a move exactly like cape, for example. And the trophy isn't exactly clear but I'm just saying that if it's saying that pros will do best with Mario it's '''WRONG'''. [[User:Tuth|<span style="color: blue;">Tuth the tough Mii</span>]] [[User talk:Tuth|''<span style="color: red;">You got owned!</span>'']] [[Special:Contributions/Tuth|''<span style="color: cyan;">Visit Mint Brick Wiki!</span>'']]


I can't believe you guys took it so seriously, it's saying that Mario is the most average character in the game. He is the default dummy character that the developers measured other character's speed, power, and weight against. He has an average (mediocre, in some respects) recovery, average killing moves (since you have to combo for finishers, instead of having a single killing move), average weight, average power, etc.. When it says measures the skill of the player, it means it reflects your skill, but not necessarily that it reflects your Power. He does reflect sill, but it won't mean that Mango will solo tournaments with him (even though it would be funny) since he doesn't  reflect power. And if you notice, Mario is at the exact center of the Tier List, which means this analogy is correct. geez, people. [[User:Fawfulmk-II|Fawfulmk-II]] ([[User talk:Fawfulmk-II|talk]]) Oct.24, 2009.
:Actually, Tuth's the only one you seem to be disagreeing with... '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 21:03, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

All characters can reflect skill. [[User:Tuth|<span style="color: blue;">Tuth the tough Mii</span>]] [[User talk:Tuth|''<span style="color: red;">You got owned!</span>'']] [[Special:Contributions/Tuth|''<span style="color: cyan;">Visit Mint Brick Wiki!</span>'']]
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	All characters can reflect skill. [[User:Tuth\|<span style="color: blue;">Tuth the tough Mii</span>]] [[User talk:Tuth\|''<span style="color: red;">You got owned!</span>'']] [[Special:Contributions/Tuth\|''<span style="color: cyan;">Visit Mint Brick Wiki!</span>'']]		All characters can reflect skill. [[User:Tuth\|<span style="color: blue;">Tuth the tough Mii</span>]] [[User talk:Tuth\|''<span style="color: red;">You got owned!</span>'']] [[Special:Contributions/Tuth\|''<span style="color: cyan;">Visit Mint Brick Wiki!</span>'']]

	Mario isn't actually average in all respects, he can wall jump (and his normal jumps are below average), his dunk is much weaker and slower than most and is his f-air instead of his d-air, so while his d-air is a drill, it cannot meteor smash. His recovery is mediocre at best, his Cape is an extremely broken gimping tool, and none of his specials are really OP, unlike other characters. [[User:Iron Gladiator\|Iron Gladiator]] ([[User talk:Iron Gladiator\|talk]]) 22:28, 23 October 2017 (EDT)
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